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BUSH'S HOLY MISSION

In June 2003, during his first meeting with Palestinian prime minister Abu Mazen, US president George Bush appeared certain that he would successfully bring peace in the Middle East. Besides, according to Mazen, Bush had a very strong ally in this effort: “God told me, 'George, go fight the terrorists in Afghanistan’, and I went. And then he told me 'George, put an end to tyranny in Iraq’, and so I did. I can hear him say now 'George, give the Palestinians their land, bring security to Israel, and bring peace to the Middle East’, and by God, I will! I have a moral and religious obligation. I will bring you the Palestinian state!”.



Bush’s “holy mission” is presented amongst others in the documentary series “Israel and Palestine: After Sharon, What?”, that examines the historic developments and the course of the peace process in the past six years. One after the other, it presents the lost chances for peace: from September, 2000, when Ariel Sharon’s visit to the holy for the Arab world Temple Mount in Jerusalem, that sparked off the second Intifada, until today, that the formerly mighty prime minister lies helpless in hospital, freezing all developments in the Middle East…



In the three episodes, presented by Reportage Without Frontiers, the protagonists – presidents and prime ministers, their secretaries and generals, but also people behind suicide attacks – shed light on the events and reveal the conflicts and diplomatic games that went on in the background of political negotiations.





Third Episode:



“BUSH’S HOLY MISSION”





The continuation of the Intifada between Israelis and Palestinians, and the failure of all political initiatives, created a major problem for the US government in 2002, which was at the time preparing to attack Iraq. During a visit at the White House, king Abdallah of Jordan informed president Bush that he would have the complete support of Jordan for his upcoming war, but only if he managed to end the violence and guarantee the peaceful cohabitation of Israel and Palestine.



The third and last episode of the BBC series Israel and Palestine: After Sharon, What? examines the efforts of the Bush presidency to bring peace to the Middle East through the infamous “Road Map”. Bush’s plan had to be accepted initially by the government of Ariel Sharon that was going ahead with a second siege of Arafat’s compound in Ramallah, in return to Palestinian suicide attacks, only six months after the first siege. The documentary reveals the Palestinian leader’s burst of anger, after he saw Israeli tanks breaking down the gate of his compound: Arafat picked up an automatic rifle and headed towards the building’s exit, where he was stopped at the very last minute by his security guards.



Sharon, who wanted to keep Arafat as a “hostage” for as long as possible, “bargained” with the Palestinian negotiators and did not compromise until after the USA had put the pressure on him. The Americans also pressed the Palestinian authority to change its governance mode, resulting in Arafat handing over part of his authorities to the new Prime Minister Abu Mazen.



Having defeated the “tyrant Hussein” in Iraq, the US invited all sides to a summit in Aqaba, Jordan, in June 2003, in order to examine the “Road Map” plan. There, president Bush let the Palestinian prime minister know how determined he was to find a viable solution: “God told me… 'George, give the Palestinians their state, bring Israel security and bring peace to the Middle East’ and by God, I will! I have a moral and religious obligation. And I will bring you the Palestinian state!”.



Despite his promises, president Bush didn’t manage to convince Sharon to stop building the West Bank wall nor restrain the attacks against Hamas, which led to a new outburst of the Palestinian organizations. The documentary features testimonies of members of Hamas who were planning suicide attacks, as well as testimonies of Israeli military officers who planned and carried out attacks on senior Hamas members. Sharon, taking advantage of the “decapitation” of the Palestinian group and Mazen’s resignation, as well as Bush’s “holy mission” to find a viable solution for the Middle East, went ahead with his own plans, and managed to convince the US president to assist him with them…



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PhRoZeN

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Thanks for the informed articles and great links. :tup: +rep :)

This in total adds to the mass amounts of information already represented by many posts from various anti occupation members. I dont believe that those who still back israels objectives really have read these facts.

Once again great stuff guys.
 

Muha

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you are right... some of the posters around have no idea about the history or the facts of the on going conflict... I would like ppl to read about the conflict, and then start posting and discussing..
 
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    joe5 said:
    US Media Bias: Covering Israel/Palestine

    Why are "left wing" media outlets such as The New York Times and CNN not reporting the Palestinian side of the story? Well, the simple answer is The Times and CNN are not liberal, nor honest. They cover injustices only when there is no risk of backlash from readers and advertisers. The media moguls are only "aware" and objective when it pays them to be. CNN and The Times must vet their content, so as not to be viewed as "pro-Palestinian," in fear that advertisers will pull their ads or commercials, leading to a loss in revenue.
    Sad, but so true...:disagree:
     

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    Five dead as Israelis strike Gaza

    Five people have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian officials say.


    An Israeli army spokeswoman said the strike had targeted a training area for militants in Gaza City.

    The area is believed to be used by a group involved in launching rockets from Gaza into southern Israel.

    Earlier in the day, Israeli troops shot and killed a Palestinian man during a stone-throwing demonstration in the city of Nablus.

    The Israeli military said the militants were training for attacks on Israel.

    "We carried out a strike against a terror target of the Popular Resistance Committees where armed militants were training," a spokeswoman told the AFP news agency.

    Militant commander


    Members of the group - one of the smaller militant organisations operating in Gaza - were on some kind of exercise in what is an area of trees and open ground, says the BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza.

    A official from the militant group, Abu Mujahid, told the Associated Press news agency that at least three missiles landed in the field. The strike left body parts scattered and pools of blood on the ground, the agency said.

    The strike apparently took place close to the house of the group's top militant commander, Moumtaz Dourghmush.

    He was not at the scene but some of his relatives were among the dead, hospital officials said.

    Gunmen fired into the air and called for revenge outside the hospital where the dead men had been brought, Reuters news agency said.

    Stepped up

    In recent months, Israel has stepped up military activity in Gaza as a response to repeated rocket fire.

    Last week, one Palestinian was killed and two injured in what the Islamic Jihad group said was an Israeli attempt to kill one of its leaders. Israel said it attacked militants on their way to strike Israeli territory.

    Earlier, a man was killed in Nablus on a day when thousands of Palestinians took part in demonstrations in the West Bank and Gaza in support of the Hamas government.

    The Israeli army said troops were carrying out a raid to arrest a militant when they encountered the demonstrators. The man who was shot was ready to throw a firebomb, the Israeli army said.

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/4978486.stm
     

    Muha

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    Israel will definitly pay the price for such an action.... The Gaza carnage will provoke many palestinian activists, and Israel will surely think twice before doing such a thing again..
     
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    Jimmy Carter: Punishing the innocent is a crime



    Innocent Palestinian people are being treated like animals, with the presumption that they are guilty of some crime. Because they voted for candidates who are members of Hamas, the United States government has become the driving force behind an apparently effective scheme of depriving the general public of income, access to the outside world and the necessities of life.

    Overwhelmingly, these are school teachers, nurses, social workers, police officers, farm families, shopkeepers, and their employees and families who are just hoping for a better life. Public opinion polls conducted after the January parliamentary election show that 80 percent of Palestinians still want a peace agreement with Israel based on the international road map premises. Although Fatah party members refused to join Hamas in a coalition government, nearly 70 percent of Palestinians continue to support Fatah's leader, Mahmoud Abbas, as their president.

    It is almost a miracle that the Palestinians have been able to orchestrate three elections during the past 10 years, all of which have been honest, fair, strongly contested, without violence and with the results accepted by winners and losers. Among the 62 elections that have been monitored by us at the Carter Center, these are among the best in portraying the will of the people.

    One clear reason for the surprising Hamas victory for legislative seats was that the voters were in despair about prospects for peace. With American acquiescence, the Israelis had avoided any substantive peace talks for more than five years, regardless of who had been chosen to represent the Palestinian side as interlocutor.

    The day after his party lost the election, Abbas told me that his own struggling government could not sustain itself financially with their daily lives and economy so severely disrupted, and access from Palestine to Israel and the outside world almost totally restricted. They were already $900 million in debt and had no way to meet the payroll for the following month. The additional restraints imposed on the new government are a planned and deliberate catastrophe for the citizens of the occupied territories, in hopes that Hamas will yield to the economic pressure.

    With all their faults, Hamas leaders have continued to honor a temporary cease-fire, or hudna, during the past 18 months, and their spokesman told me that this "can be extended for two, 10 or even 50 years if the Israelis will reciprocate." Although Hamas leaders have refused to recognize the state of Israel while their territory is being occupied, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh has expressed approval for peace talks between Abbas and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel. He added that if these negotiations result in an agreement that can be accepted by Palestinians, then the Hamas position regarding Israel would be changed.

    Regardless of these intricate and long-term political interrelationships, it is unconscionable for Israel, the United States and others under their influence to continue punishing the innocent and already persecuted people of Palestine. The Israelis are withholding approximately $55 million a month in taxes and customs duties that, without dispute, belong to the Palestinians. Although some Arab nations have allocated funds for humanitarian purposes to alleviate human suffering, the U.S. government is threatening the financial existence of any Jordanian or other bank that dares to transfer this assistance into Palestine.

    There is no way to predict what will happen in Palestine, but it would be a tragedy for the international community to abandon the hope that a peaceful coexistence of two states in the Holy Land is possible. Like Egypt and all other Arab nations before the Camp David Accords of 1978, and the Palestine Liberation Organization before the Oslo peace agreement of 1993, Hamas has so far refused to recognize the sovereign state of Israel as legitimate, with a right to live in peace. This is a matter of great concern to all of us, and the international community needs to probe for an acceptable way out of this quagmire. There is no doubt that Israelis and Palestinians both want a durable two-state solution, but depriving the people of Palestine of their basic human rights just to punish their elected leaders is not a path to peace.

    (Former President Jimmy Carter is founder of the Carter Center, a nonprofit organization working for peace and health worldwide. )

    International Herald Tribune
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/07/opinion/edcarter.php#

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    Too bad this man couldn't do much while being the president...
     

    Enron

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    From what Ive seen it looks like two rival Islamic groups vying for power. Hamas seems to be trying to chill out now that they have power. While Fatah seems to want more violence. This could be precursor to a civil war in Gaza.
     
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    Actually, Fatah is not an Islamic party...

    Fatah was the movement who ruled Palestinians in and out of historical Palestine since 1965 until 2006...

    This movement saw many radical changes during its life:

    It was established in 1965, its main target was to get Israel out of Palestine and make a country for all Palestinians...

    After what it concluded during the period 1965-1990 by not even having a land to launch its attacks from after all Arabs closed their borders with Israel, it decided to choose the peace process as its main target, and its leader Yasser Arafat was the man behind making some peace agreements with Israel in 1993...

    Seeing what happened during Camp David 2 in 2000 and the attempts of Clinton to urge Palestinians to forget the three main cases which are: Refugees right of return, East Jerusalem, and Borders of 1967, Fatah became a group of multiple fractions:

    1- Extremist Peace People (Most of them are corrupted), like the current president Abbas...
    2- People who tried to get back to use the gun in front of Israel like Al-Aqsa Brigades...

    In the latest parliament elections, those of the second fraction decided to vote for Hamas candidates because they became so bored by the way the first fraction was ruling the West Bank and Gaza Strip, mainly the corruption by the big heads in the authority...

    Surprisingly, Hamas won the elections and they had the right to appoint their prime minister who has totally a different vision for the whole case with the President...

    Fatah felt it was left without its natural right to lead the people, and they lost what they enjoyed because of authority, like jobs in the governemtnal departments, for example...

    The first fraction of Fatah tried to gather Fatah members again around their leadership to make the Hamas government fail as soon as possible in order to regain their earnings during the previous 40 years...

    Briefly, the latest clashes happened because Fatah members were treated like everybody else when they went to follow up their personal cases in the Palestinian ministries, and that's what they didn't get used to because they were so spoiled since 1990 and had special treatment because of nothing but because they were members in the ruling party...

    Fatah are exploiting the sanctions by Usa and Europe on the Hamas government to make people think that they were better than Hamas by making the payroll at the end of each month. The surprise is that these sanctions are causing the opposite results in the latest polls by showing that Palestinians increased their support to Hamas because they felt that their aids were to pressure them to satisfy Israel... Fatah are surprised by the people's reaction and they are acting crazingly by making clashes with everybody else...
     
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    Enron said:
    So basically, Fatah is mad that Hamas won the elections and that is why the fighting has occured?
    Exactly, and not all parts of Fatah agree on this...

    Some of its fractions are already in Hamas's side...
     
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