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Which brings us back to Tahir's original point.

Thats a good idea. It certainly fits him. :D

:wallbang: Yes all that will happen, but to a muslim what does all that really matter?

It doesn't matter if he convinces us if he's a muslim.

Yes but convincing people that your a muslim doesn't make you a muslim. It just makes people believe you're a muslim, which doesn't matter at all actually.

I think you know the answer to that question.

Because Seven said he did not believe in God nor the Prophet Muhammad. So he made it easy. Of course i can never be sure, and i can never verify anything. Maybe Seven is just faking all this, and actually he's a big cleric in Belgium and is one of the most pious muslims around. We can never be...

read my above post. It's not up to me to verify if Seven is a real muslim or if he's just faking it.

We cannot verify, and actually its not up to us to verify. If Seven say's he's a muslim, it doesn't mean that he is a muslim, unless he satisfies the said criteria. Now i can't see whats inside his mind and heart, so i'd never know if he was really a muslim or if he wasn't. But like i said...

Yes it is not up to the government to decide the validity of one's religion. When did i say otherwise?

Is it all black and white to you? Of course i am not as religious as a cleric, that does not mean i am willing to let go of my faith.

Wait, so if Seven say's he's a muslim then he's a muslim? Nope there are certain criteria to be satisfied before one can be considered a muslim. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad Without that, you are not a muslim period.

By "i don't have a good enough answer" it means, that it won't be good enough for you. For me its more than good enough and in the end thats what matters.

You can't know. And Martin theres no such thing as a muslim that doesn't believe in god. If he doesn't believe in god then he isn't a muslim, its that simple.

Wait, let's just be clear on something. What's your definition of religious? Am i religious for example? is Ze religious? No, clerics are religious. I am not. For me religious, isn't just being a muslim or a jew or a christian.

Nope, never.

I'm not saying i am going to make a choice. But i'm a nationalistic person, its inevitable that "the one" is going to be Libyan. I am assuming by religious you mean, she's a believer, i.e not an atheist? Because if by religious, you mean like religious, then no fuck that. I ain't marrying a...

Well i won't speak on behalf of other people, but i for one have never been offended by you or any of your arguments. I see you as a person that doesn't have the same beliefs as i do, but will argue politely to get across his point. At least for me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Wow, i didn't say that. I said i wouldn't even marry a muslim girl if she ain't Libyan. I'd prefer a Christian Libyan to a Muslim arab from any other country for what its worth.

Wow, you've diversified your portfolio. But if you were to settle down with a girl and get married, would she not be from Canada/ Albania?