Zlatan to Juve? (7 Viewers)
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I'm sorry, I don't understand you, Graham. Trez is a striker, his job is to score goals, to keep the ball forward, and step back sometimes to give some passes back to the midfield. Do you really think, that the crisis of today has anything to do with him?
He's been doing his job extremly well for really low salary, I can't remember any big chances he missed. He's been injured for a long term, nad he is very often, that is the only real problem with him (and with ADP).
I think he isn't the part of the team to blame for our results, it is our defence and teamwork.
I think he is a world class striker, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't change him. Corradi, Gilardino, but please no Zlatan. He's a hothead talent.
ok...Zlatan for DYO, that's ok
He's been doing his job extremly well for really low salary, I can't remember any big chances he missed. He's been injured for a long term, nad he is very often, that is the only real problem with him (and with ADP).
I think he isn't the part of the team to blame for our results, it is our defence and teamwork.
I think he is a world class striker, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't change him. Corradi, Gilardino, but please no Zlatan. He's a hothead talent.
ok...Zlatan for DYO, that's ok
++ [ originally posted by di_vatai ] ++
I'm sorry, I don't understand you, Graham. Trez is a striker, his job is to score goals, to keep the ball forward, and step back sometimes to give some passes back to the midfield. Do you really think, that the crisis of today has anything to do with him?
He's been doing his job extremly well for really low salary, I can't remember any big chances he missed. He's been injured for a long term, nad he is very often, that is the only real problem with him (and with ADP).
I think he isn't the part of the team to blame for our results, it is our defence and teamwork.
I think he is a world class striker, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't change him. Corradi, Gilardino, but please no Zlatan. He's a hothead talent.
ok...Zlatan for DYO, that's ok
I'm sorry, I don't understand you, Graham. Trez is a striker, his job is to score goals, to keep the ball forward, and step back sometimes to give some passes back to the midfield. Do you really think, that the crisis of today has anything to do with him?
He's been doing his job extremly well for really low salary, I can't remember any big chances he missed. He's been injured for a long term, nad he is very often, that is the only real problem with him (and with ADP).
I think he isn't the part of the team to blame for our results, it is our defence and teamwork.
I think he is a world class striker, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't change him. Corradi, Gilardino, but please no Zlatan. He's a hothead talent.
ok...Zlatan for DYO, that's ok
Welcome to the forums di_vatai
I wasn't blaming Trez for the crisis, i'm simply saying that he has nothing at all to contribute to the team if he doesn't score a goal with the one or two times he touches the ball in a match.
Okay, Trez's job is to score goals and nothing more. If Trez doesn't score, he's completely useless
A player like Zlatan on the other hand, even if he doesn't score a goal in a match, has much more potential than Trez to impact the match in other ways; harrassing the defence and creating chances for his teammates
So you're saying that a player who doesn't earn as much money has a right to play worse? I hope you're at least consistent and want to sell Del Piero
We're talking about the same Trezeguet, right?
See that's the point, if Trezeguet doesn't score goals, then it is because the team didn't give the ball to him on a silver platter. Trezeguet can't get the ball and create chances for himself, he always relies on Nedved, Del Piero or Zambrotta to put the ball on his head or pass it straight to his feet.
I wasn't blaming Trez for the crisis, i'm simply saying that he has nothing at all to contribute to the team if he doesn't score a goal with the one or two times he touches the ball in a match.
Okay, Trez's job is to score goals and nothing more. If Trez doesn't score, he's completely useless
A player like Zlatan on the other hand, even if he doesn't score a goal in a match, has much more potential than Trez to impact the match in other ways; harrassing the defence and creating chances for his teammates
So you're saying that a player who doesn't earn as much money has a right to play worse? I hope you're at least consistent and want to sell Del Piero
We're talking about the same Trezeguet, right?
See that's the point, if Trezeguet doesn't score goals, then it is because the team didn't give the ball to him on a silver platter. Trezeguet can't get the ball and create chances for himself, he always relies on Nedved, Del Piero or Zambrotta to put the ball on his head or pass it straight to his feet.
He puts the ball into the net. If it were as easy as you suggest there would be no problems when he isn't in the team. MR Magoo and Zalazeta and some so bad I have thankfully forgotten there names, have proven this to be the case.
We would badly miss his oppotunism and instinct-yes it is intinct which can't be taught- to make contact with the ball and send it on its proper trajectory into their goal, passed their goalkeeper.
Ok no dazzeling one man show-pieces but that ,is how you said, for others to do. He does his job brilliently.
You know what defenders hate most of all? thats the other team scoring against them, thats just what Trez does, and that is more distressing than a thousand shimmy shammies.
We would badly miss his oppotunism and instinct-yes it is intinct which can't be taught- to make contact with the ball and send it on its proper trajectory into their goal, passed their goalkeeper.
Ok no dazzeling one man show-pieces but that ,is how you said, for others to do. He does his job brilliently.
You know what defenders hate most of all? thats the other team scoring against them, thats just what Trez does, and that is more distressing than a thousand shimmy shammies.
The reason I stick to Trez is based on the same ground I stick to Italian football.
In Italy virtually all teams are quite matured in tactics, the defences are strong, there are no huge empty spaces. It is not the league to score lots of goals dribbling thru the whole pitch. Weah scored one, but it was some times ago.
I think in serie-a huge percent of the goals are the result of half-a chanches, like headers and tap ins from crosses, spot kicks, corners etc and NOT the result of an individual who can dribble thru the slopy defence. If you want to see lots of goals like that, watch spanish football.
Without Trez we show no aerial threat at all, and as all you know Z isnt half as good in the air as Trez.
Trez is simply in the 3 best finisher of the world, his job is not dribbling (DP should do that), not making the play (DP, Neddy, Mares, Micco etc should do that) his job is scoring.
Milan has Inzaghi and Tomasson both of them are the simillar to Trz just a bit worse, but one of them is nearly always playing couse its obvious you have to have someone in the team who can turn the chanses the team created into goals. I dont remember any dribbling by Seva against Chievo, but supporters seemed to be satisfied when he headed the equalizer.
Its true that Trez even in his best form cant lead to win by himself, but if the team works at least nearly well, you can count on his scoring skills.
btw I think a smaller better dribbling striker partnered with a taller mostly scoring one is usuall, and maybe not just accidently. Roma got Totti and Cass both of tham are brilliant dribbler, passer and so on but Imo they badly miss a real finishing striker.
In Italy virtually all teams are quite matured in tactics, the defences are strong, there are no huge empty spaces. It is not the league to score lots of goals dribbling thru the whole pitch. Weah scored one, but it was some times ago.
I think in serie-a huge percent of the goals are the result of half-a chanches, like headers and tap ins from crosses, spot kicks, corners etc and NOT the result of an individual who can dribble thru the slopy defence. If you want to see lots of goals like that, watch spanish football.
Without Trez we show no aerial threat at all, and as all you know Z isnt half as good in the air as Trez.
Trez is simply in the 3 best finisher of the world, his job is not dribbling (DP should do that), not making the play (DP, Neddy, Mares, Micco etc should do that) his job is scoring.
Milan has Inzaghi and Tomasson both of them are the simillar to Trz just a bit worse, but one of them is nearly always playing couse its obvious you have to have someone in the team who can turn the chanses the team created into goals. I dont remember any dribbling by Seva against Chievo, but supporters seemed to be satisfied when he headed the equalizer.
Its true that Trez even in his best form cant lead to win by himself, but if the team works at least nearly well, you can count on his scoring skills.
btw I think a smaller better dribbling striker partnered with a taller mostly scoring one is usuall, and maybe not just accidently. Roma got Totti and Cass both of tham are brilliant dribbler, passer and so on but Imo they badly miss a real finishing striker.
Hm, 3 best finishers are: Ronaldo,Henry,Raul, before Trez go RVN,Sheva,Adriano,Hasselbiank(imo),Ailton(imo)
Inzaghi is worse player than trez,but Tomasson is more complete player,able to draw attention on himself,leaving Sheva more space.
If Roma needs one finishing striker....how come they are better than us?
Inzaghi is worse player than trez,but Tomasson is more complete player,able to draw attention on himself,leaving Sheva more space.
If Roma needs one finishing striker....how come they are better than us?
Because it's slow and boring, not exactly deadly but efficient?
I'm not talking about dribbling the whole pitch, I'm talking about making chances for teammates, simple as that. Please don't go and tell me that nobody in Serie A puts in good passes and runs to their teammates
Crosses you say? How many times does Trez cross?
Again, it's not just about dribbling, it's about occupying defenders and generally being a hassle for the defence, which Trez isn't if he has an off day.
I agree with you there, but then again teams like Arsenal don't really have great heading ability either
Stop focusing on the dribbling for just one second, please! That's a poor example; of course people were happy when he scored that goal. But even if he didn't Sheva could well have put in a good performance, splitting the defence and creating goalscoring opportunities. My main point that i'm quite tired of repeating is that other players can be good even when they don't score. If Trez doesn't score in a game, he's bloody useless.
My point exactly.
Yeah, they're really missing a good finisher, they've only scored 2 more goals than us this season
I'm not talking about dribbling the whole pitch, I'm talking about making chances for teammates, simple as that. Please don't go and tell me that nobody in Serie A puts in good passes and runs to their teammatesCrosses you say? How many times does Trez cross?
Again, it's not just about dribbling, it's about occupying defenders and generally being a hassle for the defence, which Trez isn't if he has an off day.
I agree with you there, but then again teams like Arsenal don't really have great heading ability either
Stop focusing on the dribbling for just one second, please! That's a poor example; of course people were happy when he scored that goal. But even if he didn't Sheva could well have put in a good performance, splitting the defence and creating goalscoring opportunities. My main point that i'm quite tired of repeating is that other players can be good even when they don't score. If Trez doesn't score in a game, he's bloody useless.
My point exactly.
Yeah, they're really missing a good finisher, they've only scored 2 more goals than us this season
Because it's slow and boring, not exactly deadly but efficient?
: I didnt tell this, I only suggested that a finishing striker shouldnt be rated by his dribbling skill, neither by his passing. btw Trez makes a lot of useful passes. But u are rite, he isnt a good playmaker, but doesnt it Neddy's and DP's job???
Good point, you got all the right to be unsatisfied with a player who cannot cross a ball from the flanks to his own head. :cheesy:
He has an off day quite rarely, and if so its the same with any player.
I just wanted to emphatize that Sev usually scores simple goals like all of the finishing strikers in Italy.
Yes if they are Goalkeepers, defs, mids, or playmakers, but if someone is a striker his job is to score goals.
Yes, but he usually scores
Yeah, they're really missing a good finisher, they've only scored 2 more goals than us this season
Trezeguet isnt bad player, as a matter of fact he is pretty decent one.
After all, how many players manage to score 20goals in Serie A.
My friends scoring is huge skill just like dribbling and shooting.
It requires positioning, instinct and finishing, and not many people has that.
Obviously there are better ones around and I believe we can get younger and make better use of money for Trezeguet's value but that doesnt mean he is a bad player.
After all, how many players manage to score 20goals in Serie A.
My friends scoring is huge skill just like dribbling and shooting.
It requires positioning, instinct and finishing, and not many people has that.
Obviously there are better ones around and I believe we can get younger and make better use of money for Trezeguet's value but that doesnt mean he is a bad player.
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trezeguet does.
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trez
You've been brainwashed by the presence of uncreative, static, penalty-box poachers. Who said a forward should only score goals? Tell me honestly, would you rather have Henry or Trezeguet? Trez's finishing might well be better than Henry's, but in terms of pace, creativity and work ethic, there's no denying that Henry is worlds apart from Trez
I shan't bother anymore with repeating the same point 50 times, especially if you're gonna make sweeping statements with no evidence whatsoever.
Whatever; a team can have a bad day. We've had plenty of shitty games where we should have scored a goal or seven. But the facts are simple: Roma has scored more goals than us and look a more potent attacking team
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Dammit, why'd I type all that crap when I could have put it this simply :irritate:
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trezeguet does.
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trez
You've been brainwashed by the presence of uncreative, static, penalty-box poachers. Who said a forward should only score goals? Tell me honestly, would you rather have Henry or Trezeguet? Trez's finishing might well be better than Henry's, but in terms of pace, creativity and work ethic, there's no denying that Henry is worlds apart from Trez
I shan't bother anymore with repeating the same point 50 times, especially if you're gonna make sweeping statements with no evidence whatsoever.Whatever; a team can have a bad day. We've had plenty of shitty games where we should have scored a goal or seven. But the facts are simple: Roma has scored more goals than us and look a more potent attacking team
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Dammit, why'd I type all that crap when I could have put it this simply :irritate:
Okay Graham
Okay Graham
Understood your points
Understood your points
just:
Show me a player "like Henry"
I'd pref Henry and Trez
Show me a team with three dynamic forward
Tell me why Inzghi or Tomasson playz in Milan
Tell me how could it be that Roma scoring more, concideing less but still about equal in points? doesnt it down to the fact they lack a player who's main job is scoring (they were champs with Battistuta)
Please show me where did I sweep my statements.
I still thinks a strikers main objective is scoring, and everythink else is less important. If you show me a player who can do all the things you think a striker should, yet still as great in scoring as Trez but affordable than please let me know.
Okay Graham
Understood your points
Understood your points
just:
Show me a player "like Henry"
I'd pref Henry and Trez
Show me a team with three dynamic forward
Tell me why Inzghi or Tomasson playz in Milan
Tell me how could it be that Roma scoring more, concideing less but still about equal in points? doesnt it down to the fact they lack a player who's main job is scoring (they were champs with Battistuta)
Please show me where did I sweep my statements.
I still thinks a strikers main objective is scoring, and everythink else is less important. If you show me a player who can do all the things you think a striker should, yet still as great in scoring as Trez but affordable than please let me know.
Batistuta did shite with Roma.
Inzaghi plays for Milan because Shevchenko is good enough at scoring while also being able to make chances for his teammates, unlike Del Piero. They have Rui Costa and Kaka, while all we have is Nedved who hasn't been playing that well this season.
You swept your statements in saying that Trez usually scores, full stop.
Inzaghi plays for Milan because Shevchenko is good enough at scoring while also being able to make chances for his teammates, unlike Del Piero. They have Rui Costa and Kaka, while all we have is Nedved who hasn't been playing that well this season.
You swept your statements in saying that Trez usually scores, full stop.
i dun think Henry is a very good example to be compared to david trezeguet... for the simple reason that he plays in the English primier league... in EPL strikers are more mobile... defenders are less tight.. strikers have more room and space to control the ball... where as in Serie A especially Trezeguet who positioned way up, he have no more than one or two touches before he is closed down...thats where his positioning and one touch finishing skill came very handy...
This is irelavant to your discussion with Grahm.....but I want to point you the difference between Trez & Bati........
Batistuta did not posses some great technique or dribble....but he had a cannon in his legs....defenders knew that so they doubled him....he created space.....and he scored goals to everybody.....from Ch. leauge to Milan,Juve....Everybody had respect to Batigoal.....no one has respect to Trez except part of fans....
Now.....roma doesnt have any real goalscorer....we(iyo) do(Trez)
How come that we are equal in points and how come that roma plays nicest football in italy(imo)?
Batistuta did not posses some great technique or dribble....but he had a cannon in his legs....defenders knew that so they doubled him....he created space.....and he scored goals to everybody.....from Ch. leauge to Milan,Juve....Everybody had respect to Batigoal.....no one has respect to Trez except part of fans....
Now.....roma doesnt have any real goalscorer....we(iyo) do(Trez)
How come that we are equal in points and how come that roma plays nicest football in italy(imo)?