I know Henry was a bit of an extreme example, but even so, do you really think Trezeguet could do the same things Henry does if he played in the EPL?
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Well,I dont belive hell go to chelsea,they bought Mutu & Crespo from Italy.
Barca needs a striker that doesnt strangles the ball,they need the tapp-in player cuz Kluivert is departing. Barca would suit him nice cuz they have players with skill & dribble(Ronaldinho,Saviola,Overmars,Xavi) which can deliver him balls for 100% chances he doesnt misses.
I would like to see him in Barca.....little colony of Juve players
Barca needs a striker that doesnt strangles the ball,they need the tapp-in player cuz Kluivert is departing. Barca would suit him nice cuz they have players with skill & dribble(Ronaldinho,Saviola,Overmars,Xavi) which can deliver him balls for 100% chances he doesnt misses.
I would like to see him in Barca.....little colony of Juve players
Nuts to that, scoring goals is what wins you matches, to have a player who's sole purpose is to score goals only makes sense. To have only "playing" forwards in a team is something very few teams can do, most of the top teams in the world, almost all of the does it this way. There's a reason why playing Del Piero and Miccoli together won't work out optimally.
Oh yess,My point is that Trez cannot do nothing without a good passer or a lucky rebounds...........
Here goes a little comparision from basketball: In season 1995-1996 in NBA team Orlando played Shaqille O¨Neal(I hope you know who he is) and one of his team-mates was Dennis Scott,recorder in number of three-points made in one game(11). Well....Shaq opened the space,draged 3 players to him and passed the ball to Dennis who was perfect in scoring 3-pts when there was no man on his hand. Next season Shaq left and Dennis Scott became marginal player....year after he was released by Magic....soon his career was over cuz no one wanted him,he was just a one-dimensional player....a player who kicked 3-pts perfectly when he was opened....just that.
Sorry for a long comparision(most of you dont know who Dennis was...) but thats the way I see Trez
Oh yess,did I mention That Dennis Scott choked when he was playing a big match? to similiar to Trez I would say,even it isnt same sport
Here goes a little comparision from basketball: In season 1995-1996 in NBA team Orlando played Shaqille O¨Neal(I hope you know who he is) and one of his team-mates was Dennis Scott,recorder in number of three-points made in one game(11). Well....Shaq opened the space,draged 3 players to him and passed the ball to Dennis who was perfect in scoring 3-pts when there was no man on his hand. Next season Shaq left and Dennis Scott became marginal player....year after he was released by Magic....soon his career was over cuz no one wanted him,he was just a one-dimensional player....a player who kicked 3-pts perfectly when he was opened....just that.
Sorry for a long comparision(most of you dont know who Dennis was...) but thats the way I see Trez
Oh yess,did I mention That Dennis Scott choked when he was playing a big match? to similiar to Trez I would say,even it isnt same sport
very intresting comparison, just doesnt make a sense!
in basketball there are 5 players, small court, handling isnt a problem, not much loose balls, no keeper, 50 goals/ team and so on...
If only you compared a player, who only can score from freekicks, and do nothing else on the pitch, but wait it would be still without any sense....
No one respects him? you are a matter of laugh my friend!
He is worth 20 mill at least, starter in french national team,
I think all italians respect him after the EC final....
Our team is undoubtedly weaker this year than Roma
our play too.
My point is exactly what you ask: How can it be, that the team playing the nicest footbal isnt way above Juve, which teams seems to suffer all the second half of the season?
My answer: In serie-a playing the nicest football doesnt mean to be champ, you have to be effective against well organised teams, and to be like that you need a finishing strikers, who can turn half chances into goals. btw Thats why Roma was champ with Bati.
But my mind is open, so I ask all anti-Trez fans, just gimme a name, who is affordable (not Henry or Seva), can score as Trez, and still dribbles and giving assists.
He is worth 20 mill at least, starter in french national team,
I think all italians respect him after the EC final....
Our team is undoubtedly weaker this year than Roma
our play too.
My point is exactly what you ask: How can it be, that the team playing the nicest footbal isnt way above Juve, which teams seems to suffer all the second half of the season?
My answer: In serie-a playing the nicest football doesnt mean to be champ, you have to be effective against well organised teams, and to be like that you need a finishing strikers, who can turn half chances into goals. btw Thats why Roma was champ with Bati.
But my mind is open, so I ask all anti-Trez fans, just gimme a name, who is affordable (not Henry or Seva), can score as Trez, and still dribbles and giving assists.
barkuss,
I know Dennis Scott: Yeah He made a living out of Shaq during his time in Orlando.
However, Dennis Scott and Trezeguet isn't quite the right analogy.
1) Trez is way better soccer player than Dennis Scott ever was.
Dennis Scott was a just a role player whereas Trez is recognized star.
2) Dennis Scott never did well without Shaq. Trezeguet's has outstanding goal record for France U-21, Monaco, French National Team, and Juve.
Anyway, I do see your point. Yes, Trezeguet is one-dimensional player, but unlike basketball soccer is way more orientated and there is more room for one-dimensional player than basketball. Secondly, goal scoring is the most important aspect in the game. Well in many respect even Shaq is one dimensional: He can only play inside, but yet nobody can stop him. (Though comparing Shaq and Trez is a crime.)
Beside, I do think there are better forwards around for the money we can get Trezeguet albeit a bit more risky. (Otherwise, they would cost
more than Trezeguet)
I know Dennis Scott: Yeah He made a living out of Shaq during his time in Orlando.
However, Dennis Scott and Trezeguet isn't quite the right analogy.
1) Trez is way better soccer player than Dennis Scott ever was.
Dennis Scott was a just a role player whereas Trez is recognized star.
2) Dennis Scott never did well without Shaq. Trezeguet's has outstanding goal record for France U-21, Monaco, French National Team, and Juve.
Anyway, I do see your point. Yes, Trezeguet is one-dimensional player, but unlike basketball soccer is way more orientated and there is more room for one-dimensional player than basketball. Secondly, goal scoring is the most important aspect in the game. Well in many respect even Shaq is one dimensional: He can only play inside, but yet nobody can stop him. (Though comparing Shaq and Trez is a crime.
)Beside, I do think there are better forwards around for the money we can get Trezeguet albeit a bit more risky. (Otherwise, they would cost
more than Trezeguet
)C'mon now, don't just see one side of it. Do you really see that Trez does his fair share of pulling defenders away? Let's simplify things a bit. If Trez is a fraction as sh!te as he's made out to be, why do Serie A coaches and defenders waste their time on him? Why can't they see the obvious like most of us do? Could it be that they're in a better position than us to judge beyond appearances?
'Complete' forwards are all very well except that some here seems to have gotten completely carried away with ideals. Serie A differs from the rest of the major European leagues in terms of space and time, as arressandro rather astutely noted. I don't know what gave people the idea that Zlatan, Cavenaghi et al will be able to exhibit their full repertoire of skills in Juve with something akin to open, total football. I don't even know if that environment exists.
Lastly, I have a question for anybody who keeps sniping at Trez for not being able to hold the ball, dribble half the field, get more involved etc - have you watched how Juventus Team 2003/2004 played at all? If you haven't watched at least 20 matches, I don't see how you can belittle our topscorer's ability and contribution as simple, 100% served on a platter, fluke tap-ins. Do you even understand what it means to be constantly up against half the defence as a point-man, in the tightest league in the world, with that kind of service?
Trez deserves better, from his current contract to the kind of respect he receives in this forum. I hope he has a good Euro2004 and screws Moggi over if the same thing happens again as with Davids.
'Complete' forwards are all very well except that some here seems to have gotten completely carried away with ideals. Serie A differs from the rest of the major European leagues in terms of space and time, as arressandro rather astutely noted. I don't know what gave people the idea that Zlatan, Cavenaghi et al will be able to exhibit their full repertoire of skills in Juve with something akin to open, total football. I don't even know if that environment exists.
Lastly, I have a question for anybody who keeps sniping at Trez for not being able to hold the ball, dribble half the field, get more involved etc - have you watched how Juventus Team 2003/2004 played at all? If you haven't watched at least 20 matches, I don't see how you can belittle our topscorer's ability and contribution as simple, 100% served on a platter, fluke tap-ins. Do you even understand what it means to be constantly up against half the defence as a point-man, in the tightest league in the world, with that kind of service?
Trez deserves better, from his current contract to the kind of respect he receives in this forum. I hope he has a good Euro2004 and screws Moggi over if the same thing happens again as with Davids.
Zlatan,Robinho,Gilardino(i did not watched him,but ive hird he can do all those things),Bellion(kid from ManU),Robbie Keane,Benjamin Lauth.....there are some.....
BTW,Im not anti-trez fan,belive it or not,i like him.....but I like Juventus much more....and I wount repeat what Ive said more than ten times about solution of this problem
BTW,Im not anti-trez fan,belive it or not,i like him.....but I like Juventus much more....and I wount repeat what Ive said more than ten times about solution of this problem
i dun understant why people very upset with our attack really.... we only 2 goals short of Roma for crying out loud.... all three Roma Milan and Juve are runniing away from the league as far as Goals scored are concerned with 56 ,55,54 goals scored respectively.... i dun see us anywhere inferior in that area... that position can change in one matchday...it aint broken, so why all the *****ing about fixing it?
what left me more baffled is not only they blamed our top scorer for not scoring more goals, they also blaming him that people around him dont score more as well.. :wth: .... when trezeguet dont receive any balls, it is always HE WHO PLAYED BAD... where as in reality, it is the pathetic midfielders fault failing to reach him in the first place... i totally amazed seeing him joint 3rd in the goal scoring chart with the service and injuries he had this season...... only one goal short behind the all invicible Totti (
) eventhough he dont take neither penalties nor freekicks.... even our 2 nd top scorer cannot run away from critization from their own fan ...while at the same time there is always enough excuses for the first choice forward,penalty, freekick taker to score a lowly 7 goal..... very hard to please indeed these 'support'ers....
the reason we demoted to a 'abysmall' 2nd place this season is the stats beside GF (Goals For ) which is GA ( Goals Against ) ...we concede a disgusting 31 goals compare to Milan 18 and Roma 16.... thats the statsistic that really shows our season... not the goals scored one...
what left me more baffled is not only they blamed our top scorer for not scoring more goals, they also blaming him that people around him dont score more as well.. :wth: .... when trezeguet dont receive any balls, it is always HE WHO PLAYED BAD... where as in reality, it is the pathetic midfielders fault failing to reach him in the first place... i totally amazed seeing him joint 3rd in the goal scoring chart with the service and injuries he had this season...... only one goal short behind the all invicible Totti (
) eventhough he dont take neither penalties nor freekicks.... even our 2 nd top scorer cannot run away from critization from their own fan ...while at the same time there is always enough excuses for the first choice forward,penalty, freekick taker to score a lowly 7 goal..... very hard to please indeed these 'support'ers....the reason we demoted to a 'abysmall' 2nd place this season is the stats beside GF (Goals For ) which is GA ( Goals Against ) ...we concede a disgusting 31 goals compare to Milan 18 and Roma 16.... thats the statsistic that really shows our season... not the goals scored one...
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++ [ originally posted by Graham ] ++
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trezeguet does.
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trez
You've been brainwashed by the presence of uncreative, static, penalty-box poachers. Who said a forward should only score goals? Tell me honestly, would you rather have Henry or Trezeguet? Trez's finishing might well be better than Henry's, but in terms of pace, creativity and work ethic, there's no denying that Henry is worlds apart from Trez
I shan't bother anymore with repeating the same point 50 times, especially if you're gonna make sweeping statements with no evidence whatsoever.
Whatever; a team can have a bad day. We've had plenty of shitty games where we should have scored a goal or seven. But the facts are simple: Roma has scored more goals than us and look a more potent attacking team
EDIT:
Dammit, why'd I type all that crap when I could have put it this simply :irritate:
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trezeguet does.
Yes, right now it is Nedved and DP's job, but that shouldn't necessarily be the case. If we had 3 dynamic forwards who could both make plays and finish, it would add a whole new dimension to our attack.
See, we're so used to having a player pitching a tent in the penalty box after a few years of Inzaghi and Trezeguet. Who said he's the only one who can score? If DP and Nedved had some of the creative pressure taken off them and we had a player like Henry who could both score and make chances, then maybe DP and Nedved would score more goals too.
You must be talking about David's evil twin, Hugo.
How many times do i have to say it?! It's not about the way he scores, nobody cares how he scores! It's about the amount that he gets involved in the plays, and Sheva gets involved in the build-up play a hell of a lot more than Trez
You've been brainwashed by the presence of uncreative, static, penalty-box poachers. Who said a forward should only score goals? Tell me honestly, would you rather have Henry or Trezeguet? Trez's finishing might well be better than Henry's, but in terms of pace, creativity and work ethic, there's no denying that Henry is worlds apart from Trez
I shan't bother anymore with repeating the same point 50 times, especially if you're gonna make sweeping statements with no evidence whatsoever.Whatever; a team can have a bad day. We've had plenty of shitty games where we should have scored a goal or seven. But the facts are simple: Roma has scored more goals than us and look a more potent attacking team
EDIT:
Dammit, why'd I type all that crap when I could have put it this simply :irritate:
++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++
i dun understant why people very upset with our attack really.... we only 2 goals short of Roma for crying out loud.... all three Roma Milan and Juve are runniing away from the league as far as Goals scored are concerned with 56 ,55,54 goals scored respectively.... i dun see us anywhere inferior in that area... that position can change in one matchday...it aint broken, so why all the *****ing about fixing it?
what left me more baffled is not only they blamed our top scorer for not scoring more goals, they also blaming him that people around him dont score more as well.. :wth: .... when trezeguet dont receive any balls, it is always HE WHO PLAYED BAD... where as in reality, it is the pathetic midfielders fault failing to reach him in the first place... i totally amazed seeing him joint 3rd in the goal scoring chart with the service and injuries he had this season...... only one goal short behind the all invicible Totti ( ) eventhough he dont take neither penalties nor freekicks.... even our 2 nd top scorer cannot run away from critization from their own fan ...while at the same time there is always enough excuses for the first choice forward,penalty, freekick taker to score a lowly 7 goal..... very hard to please indeed these 'support'ers....
the reason we demoted to a 'abysmall' 2nd place this season is the stats beside GF (Goals For ) which is GA ( Goals Against ) ...we concede a disgusting 31 goals compare to Milan 18 and Roma 16.... thats the statsistic that really shows our season... not the goals scored one...
i dun understant why people very upset with our attack really.... we only 2 goals short of Roma for crying out loud.... all three Roma Milan and Juve are runniing away from the league as far as Goals scored are concerned with 56 ,55,54 goals scored respectively.... i dun see us anywhere inferior in that area... that position can change in one matchday...it aint broken, so why all the *****ing about fixing it?
what left me more baffled is not only they blamed our top scorer for not scoring more goals, they also blaming him that people around him dont score more as well.. :wth: .... when trezeguet dont receive any balls, it is always HE WHO PLAYED BAD... where as in reality, it is the pathetic midfielders fault failing to reach him in the first place... i totally amazed seeing him joint 3rd in the goal scoring chart with the service and injuries he had this season...... only one goal short behind the all invicible Totti (
) eventhough he dont take neither penalties nor freekicks.... even our 2 nd top scorer cannot run away from critization from their own fan ...while at the same time there is always enough excuses for the first choice forward,penalty, freekick taker to score a lowly 7 goal..... very hard to please indeed these 'support'ers....the reason we demoted to a 'abysmall' 2nd place this season is the stats beside GF (Goals For ) which is GA ( Goals Against ) ...we concede a disgusting 31 goals compare to Milan 18 and Roma 16.... thats the statsistic that really shows our season... not the goals scored one...
like i said... our problem is in the frikkin midfield and defense....we are doing well in attack..and if we increase our performances in the mid...we will surely start to score like crazy.
