Zlatan suspended 3 games(NO MILAN) (7 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


In the context it was obvious that "IS" referred to "MIGHT". It's a fact he might be the reason for us losing the scudetto. That was what I was trying to say.

Oh, it's a fact, is it? So by your inane logic Zlatan will be taking the blame for all the points we lost in the season, including the losses against Reggina, Inter, Samp, and Palermo, and all the matches we drew that we could have won. It's not about the team, forget that nonsense, "it's a fact" Zlatan might be the reason we lose the Scudetto. You are making a fool out of yourself Seven.

From Capello to Zlatan, you're always looking for a scapegoat.

 

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[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Oh, it's a fact, is it? So by your inane logic Zlatan will be taking the blame for all the points we lost in the season, including the losses against Reggina, Inter, Samp, and Palermo, and all the matches we drew that we could have won. It's not about the team, forget that nonsense, "it's a fact" Zlatan might be the reason we lose the Scudetto. You are making a fool out of yourself Seven.

From Capello to Zlatan, you're always looking for a scapegoat.

Am I saying Zlatan is the reason for a pretty mediocre season? No. I'm saying that at this point in time he might be the reason for not winning the scudetto. He didn't destroy our season, but he might be the final drop. Try to understand something for once, Andy.

 

[Bjerknes]

You choose your words incredibly poorly Seven, and even if you didn't the argument would make little sense. End of discussion.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

it is everybodys fault, except maybe cannavaro everybody else could have played better or did their job better in the case of capello and moggi

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
You choose your words incredibly poorly Seven, and even if you didn't the argument would make little sense. End of discussion.

It's only logical I chose my words poorly as English isn't my native language.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


Knock it off already, you pathetic loser.

You have been reported

 

[Shoryuken]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


You're very wrong there, mate. Zlatan is extremely important to this Juve squad, although I don't think that's a good thing. And therefore he really is more important than most of our players. It's not always a "team effort", you know. You have players that give you the edge, and this season Zlatan has given us the edge, whereas for example Zebina hasn't, although he played a good season.

You are wrong, mate.
Already explained why in my previous post, read it again.

Especially read the last line.

 

[JCK]

TonyMontana, there is no hope in arguing...trust me you will get insulted if you keep an argument with him

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++



You have been reported

Boohoo.

Did you also mention in which grand fashion you're going after me in every single thread I post in? Or how you talked to on msn because I didn't reply fast enough? Or how you tried to make me apologise? Or how you sent me a PM and then, stupidly enough, sent me another to check whether or not I had read the first one?

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Espectro ] ++


Did Zlatan made a MISTAKE? yes

Does his suspention make harder the scudetto race? yes

Is he to blame IF we lose the scudetto? No


In firts place, we haven't lost the scudetto yet, and I know that some of think that that alredy happend, but I do believe in Juventus has a team, and I d think that we can still win it, and as long as we have a chance to win it, I will not give up on my team!!!

Now IF we lose the scudetto, there are alot of reasons becouse that COULD happend, not only Zlatan suspention, this state that you say its not only unfair but a biased opinion against a player that you obiously don't like, and now that he made a MISTAKE its very easy to blame him for all of our problems, coz it very easy to kink someone when he is down...

Seven, I don't have anything against you, but whe you say that Zlatan MIGTH be the reason if we lose the scudetto, you are doing the exact thing and statements thet the Del Piero bashers say, when they blame Del Piero for everything that happends to Juventus... you are doing the same thing with Zlatan.

Now I know that you don't like Zlatan, thats fine, thats your problem, but please don't let that dislike to Zlatan affects your comments.

I said it before, and I will say it again...

Juventus its a team, if the team wins the scudetto, the whole team wins it,and IF the team lose the scudetto, the WHOLE TEAM its to blame for losing it...

Oh, and one more thing:

Shut Up !

I don't mean this is the only mistake that makes us lose the scudetto. What I meant to say was that this might be the final drop. Besides the first thing I said in the post you quoted was that I'm NOT blaming Zlatan if we lose the scudetto.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by TonyMontana ] ++


You are wrong, mate.
Already explained why in my previous post, read it again.

Especially read the last line.

I think we don't understand each other. I agree that 1 player can't be blamed for not winning. I wholeheartedly agree there. BUT 1 player can make it very hard for the team to win. If a team is pretty dependant on a player and that player gets sent off, the team IS in trouble. We already were in trouble, but Zlatan made things even worse. Zlatan is NOT the reason why if we lose the scudetto, but his mistake is one of the things that shouldn't have happened.

 

[Shoryuken]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


I think we don't understand each other. I agree that 1 player can't be blamed for not winning. I wholeheartedly agree there. BUT 1 player can make it very hard for the team to win. If a team is pretty dependant on a player and that player gets sent off, the team IS in trouble. We already were in trouble, but Zlatan made things even worse. Zlatan is NOT the reason why if we lose the scudetto, but his mistake is one of the things that shouldn't have happened.

Youre backtracking man, you should read youre own points and you will undurstand why people here think you are BLAMING him for losing the scudetto.

well well, whatever, If you write zlatan is not the reason i guess thats the end of the discussion, so peace man

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by TonyMontana ] ++



Youre backtracking man, you should read youre own points and you will undurstand why people here think you are BLAMING him for losing the scudetto.

well well, whatever, If you write zlatan is not the reason i guess thats the end of the discussion, so peace man

Yeah, perhaps I did choose my words wrong. I always meant to say Zlatan just might be the final drop. I never said he was the sole reason.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


FFS, that's not what I said andy. I said you MIGHT be the reason for us losing the scudetto. I know real life is a different story and chances are I would have done the same. Professional football players however shouldn't act like that. If you're a true champion, you're better than that. Don't start to glorify Zlatan's action here. He was dead wrong.

He might have been wrong, but I'm sure it felt very very right.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Agreed, I would have fucked him up. Mihajlović was good friends with Arkan, one of the biggest war criminals in the Serbian aggression against Bosnia, and I'm sure he made racist remarks to Zlatan. I would have made sure he never played football again, even if it ment a one year suspension.

Kudos for headbutting him Zlatan :thumb:

Mihajlovic should retire, Football doesn't fit him, Anyhow he's famous with his shitty things...As far as I remmber

-He was banned 3years ago due to racist remark for an Albanian player forgot his name.

-Spitting on Mutu's face 2 years ago.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by TonyMontana ] ++


You are wrong, mate.
Already explained why in my previous post, read it again.

Especially read the last line.

No Seven is right, is it hard for you guys to understand?

He never said Zlatan lost us the Scudetto, But he could be one of the Reason. There's a diff you know.

Now we are all Defending Zlatan here, and all of us would have done the same by kicking that racist mothadeadshit, but as i said, there should be some self-control.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++
it is everybodys fault, except maybe cannavaro everybody else could have played better or did their job better in the case of capello and moggi

As this season is winding down, I gotta say ... Cannavaro has been our best player this year. At least unlike last season with Zambro, there are other players on the squad who have had a good season thus far... Camo, Emerson, Buffon, Thuram (for the most part), and yes, Zlatan.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


No Seven is right, is it hard for you guys to understand?

He never said Zlatan lost us the Scudetto, But he could be one of the Reason. There's a diff you know.

Yeah Rab, he never said it, did he.

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


In the context it was obvious that "IS" referred to "MIGHT". It's a fact he might be the reason for us losing the scudetto. That was what I was trying to say.

 

[Juve_The_Best]

are we depending on zlatan to get the scudetto ?

3 matches unfair but we have to look forward.

juve is juve no matter zlatan play or not .

 

[jussiut]

Which ever thread I read I'll see someone arguing with Azzurri7, I wonder why's that. Actually Azzurri has a point there but I guess he was misunderstood.

The fact is that without Zlatan we wouldn't have gotten so many points this season, right?

So whatever points we may lose during Zlatan's ban we can't say "Zlatan lost those points for us and therefore is the reason for not winning the Scudetto", because he has already won us points. The point is that one mistake of Zlatan can cost us the Scudetto. It really isn't his fault we don't have any good back-up players but without him we're screwed. So it's quite fair to say that Zlatan's mistake might cost us the Scudetto.

See the difference? There's no reason blaming Zlatan for ruining our season or something like that because that's just absurd considering what he's done for us, but we also should take it into an account that his action was foolish (no matter how natural, I would've done the same thing) and immature in a sense that we might lose precious points because of that.