You do not understand what it is to be subjegated, oppressed, demeaned, hated, killed, enslaved, tortured, villified, judused.
I guess you never will.
I guess you never will.
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Such xenophobic or racist things might be said accidentally or emotionally, I can somehow understand this as one of human's weaknesses, but when one said it deliberately realizing what is he saying is too bad and it can't be accepted by any means. Thus a word is not so important, but an attitude is and such an attitude is followed by terrible actions
I think he's right Andy. I know how unpleasant the anti-Americanism is for you but i guess you never lost your job because you're American, the kids in school didn't laugh at you and make fun of you just because you're an American and they aren't, you never saw an army entering your city, destroying your house and killing your friends because they are American, you never found yourself in prison just because you're American, you were never beaten to dead just because you're American etc.
If you were, you'd have been just as sensitive to a word that implies xenophobia, nationalism or racism, as some others are.
If you were, you'd have been just as sensitive to a word that implies xenophobia, nationalism or racism, as some others are.
Is this what you call adding to dialogue of these threads?
Why is it bullshit: it is all but words you write. Well, I write, you have no idea what the reality behind those words are. Without words spoken, written, and acted on there is no society. Without those willing to say no, to certain words and their intent, their is no hope or future.
Why is it bullshit: it is all but words you write. Well, I write, you have no idea what the reality behind those words are. Without words spoken, written, and acted on there is no society. Without those willing to say no, to certain words and their intent, their is no hope or future.
That's only because I live in the country of the Yanks. If I moved away from here to another land at an early age, who knows what I may have experienced. If I moved to various places in Europe, I'd be looked down upon. If I moved to South America chances are people wouldn't like me. If I moved to the middle east, chances are I'd be killed due to my nationality.
I understand that we are luckier than other people as we don't have to deal with wars as seen in the Balkans. But it's hypocrisy at it's best when people are upset about words such as Zingaro yet use similar words in reference to other people. Yank is indeed one of them.
So that's why I can't exactly take this stuff seriously. Too much hypocrisy. It's like the rules always apply to everybody except the Americans, which is seen on this forum pretty much every week.
I understand that we are luckier than other people as we don't have to deal with wars as seen in the Balkans. But it's hypocrisy at it's best when people are upset about words such as Zingaro yet use similar words in reference to other people. Yank is indeed one of them.
So that's why I can't exactly take this stuff seriously. Too much hypocrisy. It's like the rules always apply to everybody except the Americans, which is seen on this forum pretty much every week.
How is that link strenghtening you comparing it to strong xenophobic remarks like the gypsies endure? I mean the description doesnt exactly say anti-americanism is a strong discriminating derogatory remark, does it?
Exactly the opposite in describing it mostly as a mellow term with various uses and applications. For example as it says, anti-americanism=anti govt foreign policies etc. Not exactly heavily discriminatory practice that effects your life badly in every way, or even takes away your life too.
Its not exactly the description of hate ridden ethnic xenophobic notion that has had mass murderous outcomes like anti-semitism and antiziganism, is it? The reality behind those two are VERY VERY grave, I mean, its not even faintly close to compare them to anti-americanism as you are trying (even if its highly annoying and stupid to be disliked for such petty reasons as it can be). I mean, even the VERY link you have put forward argues against your comparison quite strongly, in that the experiences and realites of these anti's being galaxies apart in practice.
Exactly the opposite in describing it mostly as a mellow term with various uses and applications. For example as it says, anti-americanism=anti govt foreign policies etc. Not exactly heavily discriminatory practice that effects your life badly in every way, or even takes away your life too.
Its not exactly the description of hate ridden ethnic xenophobic notion that has had mass murderous outcomes like anti-semitism and antiziganism, is it? The reality behind those two are VERY VERY grave, I mean, its not even faintly close to compare them to anti-americanism as you are trying (even if its highly annoying and stupid to be disliked for such petty reasons as it can be). I mean, even the VERY link you have put forward argues against your comparison quite strongly, in that the experiences and realites of these anti's being galaxies apart in practice.
The rules are the same for all of us. I simply objected at Rab's usage of the word Zingaro. I never told anyone to stop using it. It's up to them what will they do.
Personally i mind when people call you a yankee who knows shit about football, because i know that they're only provoking you. I'm sure you do mind too even though you seem indiferent to what they're saying and you don't take the bait.
But i also laugh at them when they say that because it usually means that they lost the debate and they have nothing else to say so they play the last card out of desperation.
But what do you expect me to do ? Tell me, i'll do it.
You want me to defend you in those arguments, you want me to warn them, to ban them ?
I'll do it but what will we achieve ? They'll remain idiots who lost an argument.
And i don't take the "zingaro" part seriously. The word was used thousands of times here and i replied only twice in the last year.
Personally i mind when people call you a yankee who knows shit about football, because i know that they're only provoking you. I'm sure you do mind too even though you seem indiferent to what they're saying and you don't take the bait.
But i also laugh at them when they say that because it usually means that they lost the debate and they have nothing else to say so they play the last card out of desperation.
But what do you expect me to do ? Tell me, i'll do it.
You want me to defend you in those arguments, you want me to warn them, to ban them ?
I'll do it but what will we achieve ? They'll remain idiots who lost an argument.
And i don't take the "zingaro" part seriously. The word was used thousands of times here and i replied only twice in the last year.
You know what Osman, I'm done with this.
If you guys can't see how absurd it is to cry over the use of one word, then use a similar word as if it's proper, then I don't really know what to say. No matter the situation, both are one in the same.
To say Anti-Americanism does not spur on hate, violence, et cetera, is just wrong. People all over the world stereotype Americans, placing us all into the same group of idiots, basically making us out to be demented and horrible people. Isn't that similar to being a gypsy? They're deemed as strange and loathsome people. We are naturally equated with Bush around the world, so one can only imagine the amount of rage ignited when Americans are discussed.
Like I said before, I don't use the word Zingaro, but I just find this ridiculously hypocritical. People are telling Rab he's wrong to use the word Zingaro, yet some of these same posters probably have referred to people as Yanks, or some other term in the derogatory bullpen. Some here will flat out deny it, others like Bianconero will say Zingaro and Yank are apples and oranges, but really, they're all one in the same. The only reason why people are upset in this thread is because we are discussing an Ex-player, a professional athlete, someone with mixed backgrounds, somebody who is European and somebody who plays in Serie A. Apart from that, if this was any random bum nobody would care, apart from Alen who has legitimate reasons to speak out against the term. So many similar words or sheer nationalistic jibes are posted here, yet they're seemingly deemed as acceptable.
That's my grievance with the discussion here. It's very strange how this one player receives so much attention from us and has such a defense when people use a xenophobic word against him. If people spoke out against every single similar insult in the world, perhaps we would be better off. But considering the double standards, who cares.
If you guys can't see how absurd it is to cry over the use of one word, then use a similar word as if it's proper, then I don't really know what to say. No matter the situation, both are one in the same.
To say Anti-Americanism does not spur on hate, violence, et cetera, is just wrong. People all over the world stereotype Americans, placing us all into the same group of idiots, basically making us out to be demented and horrible people. Isn't that similar to being a gypsy? They're deemed as strange and loathsome people. We are naturally equated with Bush around the world, so one can only imagine the amount of rage ignited when Americans are discussed.
Like I said before, I don't use the word Zingaro, but I just find this ridiculously hypocritical. People are telling Rab he's wrong to use the word Zingaro, yet some of these same posters probably have referred to people as Yanks, or some other term in the derogatory bullpen. Some here will flat out deny it, others like Bianconero will say Zingaro and Yank are apples and oranges, but really, they're all one in the same. The only reason why people are upset in this thread is because we are discussing an Ex-player, a professional athlete, someone with mixed backgrounds, somebody who is European and somebody who plays in Serie A. Apart from that, if this was any random bum nobody would care, apart from Alen who has legitimate reasons to speak out against the term. So many similar words or sheer nationalistic jibes are posted here, yet they're seemingly deemed as acceptable.
That's my grievance with the discussion here. It's very strange how this one player receives so much attention from us and has such a defense when people use a xenophobic word against him. If people spoke out against every single similar insult in the world, perhaps we would be better off. But considering the double standards, who cares.
Don't speak on my behalf. I know myself and I know why I call him a Zingaro. I thought I've explained that. And you've also reacted several times when I question his talent and his lazy legs on the pitch....Makes me wonder sometimes If we're here somewhere around Inter forums, specially when Del Piero is also introduced into your discussions.
Now I think you're going a bit too far here...and you're making drama out of it. Like I've said, a Gypsy has no Nationality whether we like it or not, thats a fact. I can be Gypsy, you can be Gypsy... It depends on many things that I've mentioned them before.
As for the Muslim terrorist or dirty, I don't have a problem with fans calling this dirty or that terrorist, but bringing religions/sects like (Muslims, Christians, Sunni, Shi'aa) into this wouldn't be fair and it would be a bit far.
And I don't want to jump from a topic to another... Specially if it's a religious one.
I think it's pretty clear that we both can't agree on the "Gypsy" thing. You think It has to do with the ex-Yugoslavians and I think It's based on actions and the word Gypsy has nothing to do with Nationalities.
See, thats what I meant.... You're forcing yourself to feel offended just like some others here. I never went on saying You dirty Bosnian/Croatian SOB Gypsy big nose etc.... stop feeling offended because It's getting silly.
If someone would call a player Terrorist I wouldn't feel insulted....Unless I hear the word Lebanese or any nationality that concern this player then I have the right to feel offended. But to feel offended just because this player was called Terrorist and because Hezbollah are on the Terrorist list and I'm coming from the same country or feel offended because Mr. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is being called Zingaro and It's because 80years ago some Italians were calling the ex- Yugoslavians gypsies. Give me a break!!!!!!
Now I think you're going a bit too far here...and you're making drama out of it. Like I've said, a Gypsy has no Nationality whether we like it or not, thats a fact. I can be Gypsy, you can be Gypsy... It depends on many things that I've mentioned them before.
As for the Muslim terrorist or dirty, I don't have a problem with fans calling this dirty or that terrorist, but bringing religions/sects like (Muslims, Christians, Sunni, Shi'aa) into this wouldn't be fair and it would be a bit far.
And I don't want to jump from a topic to another... Specially if it's a religious one.
I think it's pretty clear that we both can't agree on the "Gypsy" thing. You think It has to do with the ex-Yugoslavians and I think It's based on actions and the word Gypsy has nothing to do with Nationalities.
See, thats what I meant.... You're forcing yourself to feel offended just like some others here. I never went on saying You dirty Bosnian/Croatian SOB Gypsy big nose etc.... stop feeling offended because It's getting silly.
If someone would call a player Terrorist I wouldn't feel insulted....Unless I hear the word Lebanese or any nationality that concern this player then I have the right to feel offended. But to feel offended just because this player was called Terrorist and because Hezbollah are on the Terrorist list and I'm coming from the same country or feel offended because Mr. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is being called Zingaro and It's because 80years ago some Italians were calling the ex- Yugoslavians gypsies. Give me a break!!!!!!