Zeitgeist, the Movie (16 Viewers)

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,912
#22
i saw this movie last night because of this thread. I find it very interesting..and i believe the 9.11 and the dollar story. But i don't know about the religion part..i was grown a christian..i believe in God..
The dollar story isn't a "story." One can look that up in any finance text.

And it's common knowledge that many of those divine deities had similar stories behind them.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,309
#25
People can bitch and moan all they want, but someone said Jesus was born on the 25th of December for a very particular reason and everyone knows why. It's the same reason why the 25th (or the 23d or the 22nd or the 27th) of December has always been a significant day in various pagan rituals. There's nothing special about christianity.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
#26
I hate it that religious people always refuse to accept logic. Furthermore the religious part would prove that there is more to religion than you'd like to think at first sight: mainly that there might be a reason why people select certain events. Unfortunately it would also mean that religion is complete bollocks, but that those events do mean something.

To be frank, the figure of Jesus is not only moronic, but also unlikely and unacceptable. Why on earth people not only accept, but also enforce the christian doctrine of some loon who proclaims himself son of God is beyond me. The religious part was far from bullshit and the only reason you're saying it was, is that you want to protect your precious faith.
it is hard to change 20 years ;)....
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
#28
i am a christian and it is hard to wake tomorrow and to say...i don't believe in God no more..i was taught with God, my grandparent ( God rest his soul) was a priest...but i'm telling you that i have doubts.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,891
#29
People can bitch and moan all they want, but someone said Jesus was born on the 25th of December for a very particular reason and everyone knows why. It's the same reason why the 25th (or the 23d or the 22nd or the 27th) of December has always been a significant day in various pagan rituals. There's nothing special about christianity.
I heard all this on an ancient history class about the Epic of Gilgamesh, back in 1998. Back then i was like WTF!!!
I couldn't stop thinking for days about what the young professor told us.

He started with a comparison between Noah and Utnapishtim and then he told us the same thing the guys from Zeitgeist tell about Jesus and Christianity.

The thing is that every historian who specialized in ancient history will confirm that what they say is true. Every medievalist will confirm it's true. The astrologists will probably confirm it also. Everyone who studied the history of religion will completely agree with what they say.

Everything is crystal clear actually.

In case someone still didn't see tha part about religion, it can be seen here:

 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,912
#30
This is the link for the whole movies:

[video=google;-594683847743189197]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197[/video]

[video=google;7065205277695921912]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&hl=en[/video]

Interesting solution proposed in Addendum to pretty much all word problems: a resource based economy through technology. It depends on whether they are correct in saying humans are not inherently greedy, which I'm not too sure about.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,483
#31
I heard all this on an ancient history class about the Epic of Gilgamesh, back in 1998. Back then i was like WTF!!!
I couldn't stop thinking for days about what the young professor told us.

He started with a comparison between Noah and Utnapishtim and then he told us the same thing the guys from Zeitgeist tell about Jesus and Christianity.

The thing is that every historian who specialized in ancient history will confirm that what they say is true. Every medievalist will confirm it's true. The astrologists will probably confirm it also. Everyone who studied the history of religion will completely agree with what they say.

Everything is crystal clear actually.

In case someone still didn't see tha part about religion, it can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzailhVl-U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6UdQxt7b24&feature=related
HOLY SHIT :eek:

Ok, I have also briefly had been in a history seminar about the repetetive stories throughout the ages, starting from Gilgamesh til now, and how religions throughout the times just copied variations of these themes and made them their own, so the concept itself isnt suprising for me...but HOLY FUCK that first link, it cant be for real! (are we the human race that transparent??) :eek: The professors never put it as on point as the clip from this movie did, and clarified further as eloquently.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,912
#33
Anybody who has not seen these films, well, you should watch them immediately.

I have never seen films that describe our situation so perfectly.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,309
#35
What I don't understand though is how some people see Zeitgeist and are surprised. Sure, it does a good job on explaining a couple of theories, but really, if you are capable to think for yourself you reach the same conclusions. You'd have to be an utter idiot to think Jesus was real and not merely a symbol.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,912
#39
I'm downloading it now to see what the fuss is about.

Should I get the "sequel" too?
Absolutely. It provides the answer to the problems we face. That is, if greed truly is not an inherent human trait.

What I don't understand though is how some people see Zeitgeist and are surprised. Sure, it does a good job on explaining a couple of theories, but really, if you are capable to think for yourself you reach the same conclusions. You'd have to be an utter idiot to think Jesus was real and not merely a symbol.
They are just victims of the system. More people should have come to these conclusions on their own, but the system does do brilliantly to stifle them. That's why people should be allowed to think freely, not toss around terminology such as "conspiracy theory," and not become too offended when proven wrong. That's one of the messages these films put out, so everyone should watch it no matter what they believe.

I suppose the only hope that we do have is that considering times are so troublesome, people will let their "faith" in what we know as the current state of the world subside. Something bad is dying and hopefully something good will come out of it. We need to be re-born.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,483
#40
What I don't understand though is how some people see Zeitgeist and are surprised. Sure, it does a good job on explaining a couple of theories, but really, if you are capable to think for yourself you reach the same conclusions. You'd have to be an utter idiot to think Jesus was real and not merely a symbol.
Didnt think Jesus as the son of God was more then a symbol, not a christian so the questioning the validity of Jesus as the son of God is not farfetched at all for me. But the SOURCE of this all with the religion part, not just about Jesus, but astrology and how distinctively repetetive the story elements have been throughout the history of mankind, even for someone who has heard of this before as I said, is still quite extremely astounding in how they break it down.

Not really suprised about Jesus being real, but the extreme significance of astrology. I havent seen any other part of this documentary, but in history aspect, I hope the other parts are as interesting as the religion part.
 

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