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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,894
#65
As a Croat someone may say i'm not neutral but Dule knows me and he knows i'm neutral regarding this issue.

Fine :

Kosovo was Serbian land, or better - inhabited by Serbs, since the time Serbs migrated to the Balkans (5th-6th century). Kosovo is the first Serbian independent teritory where the Serbs formed their kingdom.
It was almost 100% inhabited by Serbs.

Then the Turks came to the Balkans and just like most of the Balkan, Kosovo became a part of the Ottoman Empire. (14th century)

But in 1690 the Serbs rebelled against the Turks and in order to prevent his people from being massacred the patriarch Arseniye with 90 000 Serbs migrated to the North.
Since not more than 200 000 people lived in Kosovo and since half of the population was gone, the Turks started inhabiting muslims there, namely Albanians who never lived in Kosovo before this.
Now there were still more Serbs than Albanians but as times passed the Albanians became a majority and in 20th century they were around 70-80% of the population there.

When Serbia was bombed in 1999 and NATO and USA sent their soldiers to Kosovo and many Serbs had to leave the teritorry, Albanians became a huge majority there.

Now they got independence, even though it must be said that this brakes every single international law because Kosovo is recognized as part of Serbia in the UN and everywhere else.

Now, if Kosovo gets independence, Basque can also ask for independence from Spain because it's the same case. Some Italian northern provinces can also ask independence from Italy. Northern Ireland can ask independence from England (Britain) and in some 30 years if the Mexicans become a majority in New Mexico they can freely ask for independence and use Kosovo as an example.

It's a very tricky situation. Kosovo is a huge part of Serbian history. Their kings were born and ruled from there. The greatest battle in their history took place there.

Kosovo is very (VERY !!) rich with minerals and other mines. the USA couldn't control this if Kosovo was Serbian because Serbia is Russia's historical partner. Now the USA controls this.
Also, we get another Israel in the Balkans this way.

In other words, the situation is similar to Israel just that Serbians and the other Christian neighbours are in the skin of the Middle East Arabs while Albanians are the Jews.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,916
#71
As a Croat someone may say i'm not neutral but Dule knows me and he knows i'm neutral regarding this issue.

Fine :

Kosovo was Serbian land, or better - inhabited by Serbs, since the time Serbs migrated to the Balkans (5th-6th century). Kosovo is the first Serbian independent teritory where the Serbs formed their kingdom.
It was almost 100% inhabited by Serbs.

Then the Turks came to the Balkans and just like most of the Balkan, Kosovo became a part of the Ottoman Empire. (14th century)

But in 1690 the Serbs rebelled against the Turks and in order to prevent his people from being massacred the patriarch Arseniye with 90 000 Serbs migrated to the North.
Since not more than 200 000 people lived in Kosovo and since half of the population was gone, the Turks started inhabiting muslims there, namely Albanians who never lived in Kosovo before this.
Now there were still more Serbs than Albanians but as times passed the Albanians became a majority and in 20th century they were around 70-80% of the population there.

When Serbia was bombed in 1999 and NATO and USA sent their soldiers to Kosovo and many Serbs had to leave the teritorry, Albanians became a huge majority there.

Now they got independence, even though it must be said that this brakes every single international law because Kosovo is recognized as part of Serbia in the UN and everywhere else.

Now, if Kosovo gets independence, Basque can also ask for independence from Spain because it's the same case. Some Italian northern provinces can also ask independence from Italy. Northern Ireland can ask independence from England (Britain) and in some 30 years if the Mexicans become a majority in New Mexico they can freely ask for independence and use Kosovo as an example.

It's a very tricky situation. Kosovo is a huge part of Serbian history. Their kings were born and ruled from there. The greatest battle in their history took place there.

Kosovo is very (VERY !!) rich with minerals and other mines. the USA couldn't control this if Kosovo was Serbian because Serbia is Russia's historical partner. Now the USA controls this.
Also, we get another Israel in the Balkans this way.

In other words, the situation is similar to Israel just that Serbians and the other Christian neighbours are in the skin of the Middle East Arabs while Albanians are the Jews.

Thanks for that, Alen. Interesting stuff here. Shame my nation is fucking people over again. :disagree:

Hopefully it will come back to bite us when New Mexico asks for their own nation. That would be great.
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
#72
As a Croat someone may say i'm not neutral but Dule knows me and he knows i'm neutral regarding this issue.

Fine :

Kosovo was Serbian land, or better - inhabited by Serbs, since the time Serbs migrated to the Balkans (5th-6th century). Kosovo is the first Serbian independent teritory where the Serbs formed their kingdom.
It was almost 100% inhabited by Serbs.

Then the Turks came to the Balkans and just like most of the Balkan, Kosovo became a part of the Ottoman Empire. (14th century)

But in 1690 the Serbs rebelled against the Turks and in order to prevent his people from being massacred the patriarch Arseniye with 90 000 Serbs migrated to the North.
Since not more than 200 000 people lived in Kosovo and since half of the population was gone, the Turks started inhabiting muslims there, namely Albanians who never lived in Kosovo before this.
Now there were still more Serbs than Albanians but as times passed the Albanians became a majority and in 20th century they were around 70-80% of the population there.

When Serbia was bombed in 1999 and NATO and USA sent their soldiers to Kosovo and many Serbs had to leave the teritorry, Albanians became a huge majority there.

Now they got independence, even though it must be said that this brakes every single international law because Kosovo is recognized as part of Serbia in the UN and everywhere else.

Now, if Kosovo gets independence, Basque can also ask for independence from Spain because it's the same case. Some Italian northern provinces can also ask independence from Italy. Northern Ireland can ask independence from England (Britain) and in some 30 years if the Mexicans become a majority in New Mexico they can freely ask for independence and use Kosovo as an example.

It's a very tricky situation. Kosovo is a huge part of Serbian history. Their kings were born and ruled from there. The greatest battle in their history took place there.

Kosovo is very (VERY !!) rich with minerals and other mines. the USA couldn't control this if Kosovo was Serbian because Serbia is Russia's historical partner. Now the USA controls this.

Also, we get another Israel in the Balkans this way.

In other words, the situation is similar to Israel just that Serbians and the other Christian neighbours are in the skin of the Middle East Arabs while Albanians are the Jews.
I guess this is now the real reason for the whole conflict...

I just wonder why serbs did not try to live in kosovo, when it is so important in the history
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#77
Albans used the current imbalance of international powers intelligently. It's the usual price defeated parties (Russia and Serbia) have to pay.

I hate to see anybody leaving his land and I know it won't be forgotten easily.

Congrats for Arif and Juve_Kosovo. My condolences to any Serb losing his home because of this.
 

Bozi

The Bozman
Administrator
Oct 18, 2005
22,747
#78
very good explaination alen.
i would say congrats to the kosovans and comiserations to teh sebs, this is a very delicate situation and i am afraid to say that this could be the spark to ignite yet more conflict in the balkans.
then both russia and america could be dragge dinto this,this is a tinderbox just waiting to go up. i honestly feel we should all be worries here
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#80
Good read, thx Alen.

Im confused though. B4 this news, Kosovo were semi-independant since they have a PM, their own economy, etc. What difference does this development make? (other than political recognition by others, who are doing it for their own geopolitical interest)
 

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