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[Enron]

Citing Wikipedia for school wouldn't fly well but we're not in school. Besides most things written on wikipedia has 'real' sources cited on the bottom of the page, so if you don't care to read it on wikipedia just scroll down and click on the links they've been taken from.

Vinni and Enron are just diverting attention from the argument itself, much like the government does

I never said he was wrong. I just detest Wikipedia. So he loses the argument by default. I must say it is interesting to be on the opposite side of the belittlement you guys hand out. I kind of enjoy it, it must the S&M side of me coming out.

 

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[Bjerknes]

I'm sorry, but a Wikipedia page on an OIL PIPELINE isn't going to be intentionally skewed. It's pretty common knowledge that the BTC pipeline serves the West anyway, so if Vinni doesn't want to know or believe that, it's not my problem.

Last time I checked this isn't school. And yeah, I know, I wouldn't use WIKIPEDIA as a source for school. You don't need to tell me that, Enron.

It's like you two didn't even click on the links. I mean fine, whatever, your loss really.

 

[Bjerknes]

You come out and blast me for posting Wikipedia links among other more acceptable sources, yet you don't say anything about the fact that Vinni never posts sources. Moreover, Vinni cannot even fathom a response besides "Liberal propaganda." Wouldn't you find that as total hypocrisy?

 

[Martin]

I never said he was wrong. I just detest Wikipedia. So he loses the argument by default. I must say it is interesting to be on the opposite side of the belittlement you guys hand out. I kind of enjoy it, it must the S&M side of me coming out.

So anything on Wikipedia is automatically invalid? If that's the way you feel you shouldn't trust anything you read online either, how could you possibly know a) it's accurate, b) it's fair and unbiased c) it hasn't been secretly (unlike wikipedia's open model) altered by someone with access to the content and d) the signal you're receiving has not been changed in transit, from the time it left the server to the moment it was received by your computer?

I mean seriously, if you want to poke holes in everything, there's always a way to do that. ALL information from EVERY source comes with a disclaimer. Including your microwave beeping that the food is done. The burden is always on you to interpret it correctly.

Vin's dismissal of wikipedia is bullshit. If he had a reason to say the information was wrong then he should have. Making a blanket statement about an encyclopedia of 2 million articles is nonsense.

 

[Bjerknes]

I never said he was wrong. I just detest Wikipedia. So he loses the argument by default. I must say it is interesting to be on the opposite side of the belittlement you guys hand out. I kind of enjoy it, it must the S&M side of me coming out.

Lose the argument by default?

Give me a fucking break.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yea, E, there are a couple holes in your argument.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's stuff like this that makes you ask yourself, why even bother?

If people in this nation want to live in the dark, then go ahead and live in the dark. Just keep building the good old American stereotype passed around like joints across the globe.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

So anything on Wikipedia is automatically invalid? If that's the way you feel you shouldn't trust anything you read online either, how could you possibly know a) it's accurate, b) it's fair and unbiased c) it hasn't been secretly (unlike wikipedia's open model) altered by someone with access to the content and d) the signal you're receiving has not been changed in transit, from the time it left the server to the moment it was received by your computer?

I mean seriously, if you want to poke holes in everything, there's always a way to do that. ALL information from EVERY source comes with a disclaimer. Including your microwave beeping that the food is done. The burden is always on you to interpret it correctly.

Vin's dismissal of wikipedia is bullshit. If he had a reason to say the information was wrong then he should have. Making a blanket statement about an encyclopedia of 2 million articles is nonsense.

WORDAGE!

 

[Enron]

I'm sorry, but a Wikipedia page on an OIL PIPELINE isn't going to be intentionally skewed. It's pretty common knowledge that the BTC pipeline serves the West anyway, so if Vinni doesn't want to know or believe that, it's not my problem.

Last time I checked this isn't school. And yeah, I know, I wouldn't use WIKIPEDIA as a source for school. You don't need to tell me that, Enron.

It's like you two didn't even click on the links. I mean fine, whatever, your loss really.

I actually read your links. That's why I didn't disagree with you. Why not post charts from you other sources?

How is it my loss? I'm not the one running around making fun of people and cursing like a little kid. CAPITALIZING words and insulting people like it makes a difference. Your the one who takes everything soooo personal. In your mind hoss, you're always absolutely right. And when you are, you don't take if very well do you.

Who cares if Vinnie doesn't believe you? Do you have to belittle someone? We all know you're better than us. It's like you wish you were Martin or Jack who live in their perfect little worlds where nothing bad ever happens and sometimes, sometimes we are luck enough for they to grace us with a statement of "Stupid America, so bad, so corrupt, so wrong".

Do you think you're the only person in the whole country that knows the things you do? You're not even the only American in the forum who knows as much as you. We just don't go rudely bashing it into the people who disagree with us. My problem with you is not so much your ideas and ideals but you methods. So settle down, quit being an ass, and "talk" to people like they are people.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I actually read your links. That's why I didn't disagree with you. Why not post charts from you other sources?

How is it my loss? I'm not the one running around making fun of people and cursing like a little kid. CAPITALIZING words and insulting people like it makes a difference. Your the one who takes everything soooo personal. In your mind hoss, you're always absolutely right. And when you are, you don't take if very well do you.

Who cares if Vinnie doesn't believe you? Do you have to belittle someone? We all know you're better than us. It's like you wish you were Martin or Jack who live in their perfect little worlds where nothing bad ever happens and sometimes, sometimes we are luck enough for they to grace us with a statement of "Stupid America, so bad, so corrupt, so wrong".

Do you think you're the only person in the whole country that knows the things you do? You're not even the only American in the forum who knows as much as you. We just don't go rudely bashing it into the people who disagree with us. My problem with you is not so much your ideas and ideals but you methods. So settle down, quit being an ass, and "talk" to people like they are people.

Some of this is true.....but Vinni brought it on himself for being an idiot. ...and don't rip on Andy for stuff I do/did. I intentionally try to look like an ass...

 

[Enron]

You come out and blast me for posting Wikipedia links among other more acceptable sources, yet you don't say anything about the fact that Vinni never posts sources. Moreover, Vinni cannot even fathom a response besides "Liberal propaganda." Wouldn't you find that as total hypocrisy?

No. It is not hypocrisy. Maybe it is though because I did criticize you. And anytime that happens, it is automatically hypocrisy. Anyway...

I never said you were wrong. Why would I criticize Vinni? I actually agree with you. I criticized your use of Wikipedia as a viable source. Suck it up.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Then don't use your prior post to deflect the argument....

 

[Martin]

Hey Enron, babe. Whenever you're ready

 

[Bjerknes]

I actually read your links. That's why I didn't disagree with you. Why not post charts from you other sources?

How is it my loss? I'm not the one running around making fun of people and cursing like a little kid. CAPITALIZING words and insulting people like it makes a difference. Your the one who takes everything soooo personal. In your mind hoss, you're always absolutely right. And when you are, you don't take if very well do you.

Who cares if Vinnie doesn't believe you? Do you have to belittle someone? We all know you're better than us. It's like you wish you were Martin or Jack who live in their perfect little worlds where nothing bad ever happens and sometimes, sometimes we are luck enough for they to grace us with a statement of "Stupid America, so bad, so corrupt, so wrong".

Do you think you're the only person in the whole country that knows the things you do? You're not even the only American in the forum who knows as much as you. We just don't go rudely bashing it into the people who disagree with us. My problem with you is not so much your ideas and ideals but you methods. So settle down, quit being an ass, and "talk" to people like they are people.

Yeah, okay, Enron. I'll just sit here while Vinni tells me to grow up, labels me a "Liberal propagandist," refers to me as a terrorist, and doesn't even have enough decency to provide anything but this:

so you believe the lies that liberals like Chomsky feed you

then make your last video, strap a bomb to yourself, and do something about it

wow...andy can copy and paste propaganda int:

I'm bored of it, Andy...you offer NOTHING but propaganda from youtube, and can back NONE of it up....

shame on you for implying that our govenment carried out 9-11...its a fucking disgrace to all the people who died because of it

Yeah, I'm the bad guy here.

Whatever.

 

[ReBeL]

I never thought I would say this in a political thread ever, but:

Relax, guys...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Vinni, Chomsky is considered one of the truest of conservative writers, bro. He's not liberal.

 

[Enron]

So anything on Wikipedia is automatically invalid?
If that's the way you feel you shouldn't trust anything you read online either, how could you possibly know a) it's accurate, b) it's fair and unbiased c) it hasn't been secretly (unlike wikipedia's open model) altered by someone with access to the content and d) the signal you're receiving has not been changed in transit, from the time it left the server to the moment it was received by your computer?

Exactly, there is not way to tell. So you have to use your best judgement and do a little research on the sources of your information. Now using Wikipedia as an example, would you not question the validity of an internet encyclopedia?

Not to say Andy's argument of the existence of oil pipelines in the Middle East is wrong. There certainly are pipelines in the Middle East, you can't deny it.

I mean seriously, if you want to poke holes in everything, there's always a way to do that. ALL information from EVERY source comes with a disclaimer. Including your microwave beeping that the food is done. The burden is always on you to interpret it correctly.

Sure but why can't I criticize someone for using a source I think is less than? If I wanted to deny the existence of oil pipelines in the Middle East. I could have said "All those sources are biased". Did I do that? No.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I guess we must then ship books to every member of the forum that wishes to read this thread.

 

[Enron]

Yeah, okay, Enron. I'll just sit here while Vinni tells me to grow up, labels me a "Liberal propagandist," refers to me as a terrorist, and doesn't even have enough decency to provide anything but this:

And you're not the polar opposite of Vinni?

 

[Enron]

I guess we must then ship books to every member of the forum that wishes to read this thread.

No but how about finding better sources on the net than Wikipedia?