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Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Well Muslim or not, alot of country's agree's that Kosova should be independent..
And it became..

Anyway, is it me or are you on the NO FREE KOSOVA side ?
No way! I am not in anyone's side, but it's always good to see everyone has it's own home with their own rules and all. Even thou I hate to see people still dividing themselves of others more and more. If it will lead to peace, then it's good for everyone including me. I want to see Palestinians and Kurds to have their own home too, everyone deserves to live as a 1st class citizen, and for that sadly you need your own land, or else, you are always the "others".

Fuck the lands and power, just live and let live this is all I care. :pint:
 

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May 4, 2004
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No way! I am not in anyone's side, but it's always good to see everyone has it's own home with their own rules and all. Even thou I hate to see people still dividing themselves of others more and more. If it will lead to peace, then it's good for everyone including me. I want to see Palestinians and Kurds to have their own home too, everyone deserves to live as a 1st class citizen, and for that sadly you need your own land, or else, you are always the "others".

Fuck the lands and power, just live and let live this is all I care. :pint:
Fuck it all then haha :rulz:

I feel what your saying.. "Others".. Man I really feel ya!...

Anyway I hope the best for Palestine and Kurdistan also..
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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The difference between the Kurds, Palestinians and Albanians from Kosovo is that Albanians already have their country called Albania while the Kurds and the Palestinians don't have that.
Now a second Albanian country was formed and it may lead to something as dangerous as what Milosevic was trying to create.
He wanted Great Serbia and what's happening here smells like Great Albania.
I wonder how the Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians feel about this because they all have Albanian minorities living there, close to the Albanian border.

I'm not going anywhere with this, it's an honest question : Arif or Juve-Kosova, do the Albanians from Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro also want the territories they live at to get independence or to become part of Albania ?

Thank you
 
May 4, 2004
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The difference between the Kurds, Palestinians and Albanians from Kosovo is that Albanians already have their country called Albania while the Kurds and the Palestinians don't have that.
Now a second Albanian country was formed and it may lead to something as dangerous as what Milosevic was trying to create.
He wanted Great Serbia and what's happening here smells like Great Albania.
I wonder how the Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians feel about this because they all have Albanian minorities living there, close to the Albanian border.

I'm not going anywhere with this, it's an honest question : Arif or Juve-Kosova, do the Albanians from Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro also want the territories they live at to get independence or to become part of Albania ?

Thank you
The Kurds, Palestinians and Albanians, same story, no difference on the matter of land.. In our case a part of our country (Albania) became independent (1912) while other territories was taken by others!..

Man you just dont wanna stop.. One thing you should know, now.. We Kosovars DO not want to have anything to do with Albania.. We do not want a Great Albania. We want our own country, we got it now, as we should!..

And about the territories in Macedonia, ofcours they would like to be part of Kosova or Albania, but they know its not really possible.. So dont worry about the "Great Albania".. Its not the same as the Great Serbia.. And you know why, Because we aint taking land that isent ours..!
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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And you know why, Because we aint taking land that isent ours..!
The Serbs were saying the same things. They were taking back Serbian land, that's what they've been saying.


The Kurds, Palestinians and Albanians, same story, no difference on the matter of land.. In our case a part of our country (Albania) became independent (1912) while other territories was taken by others!..
Every single Balkan country says this, without an exception.
Macedonians claim that one part of the Macedonian land is taken by Greece and one by Bulgaria.
Bulgarians claim that there are 7 more pieces for Bulgaria to be the way it should be. Serbs claim the same thing. Even Croats do that with Herzegovina.
Greeks want parts of Turkey and the city of Istanbul.


If you read my posts here carefully you'll see that I'M AGAINST NATIONALISM. But what you claim here is pure nationalism, that's why i don't agree with you.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Well what do you want me to say then.. They say that, we say this..
I believe we are right, they believe they are right.. Chose the side you want to..
I can't chose a side because i'm against both sides in this case. Not against the people but against the nationalistic claims and the methods they use.
 
May 4, 2004
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If you read my posts here carefully you'll see that I'M AGAINST NATIONALISM. But what you claim here is pure nationalism, that's why i don't agree with you.
Well then mate, you have found the wrong person to talk to.. Not many would admit this, but I am pure Nationalist.. And you know why, Because my people have never feelt freedom, never had something called "there own"! Alwayse suffering.. Thats why I am a Nationalist.. BUT that dosent mean I hate everyone, and dont respect anything els but my people..

:) Free world.. Thats the best!
 
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The Arif

The Arif

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Jan 31, 2004
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    I'm not going anywhere with this, it's an honest question : Arif or Juve-Kosova, do the Albanians from Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro also want the territories they live at to get independence or to become part of Albania ?

    Thank you

    People from these territories you mentioned want all albanian lands to unite as one, that's every albanian's dream. But I think people already know that's impossible, so we are getting used to it. One of the main Kosova's dream was to be united with Albania as one state, but one of the conditions of our independence is that we can't unite with any of our neighbours. On the map, we may not be as one, but in our hearts and minds we certainly are ONE. If any of you have seen the celebrations in Albania, knows what I'm talking.


    I was for a schooltrip in Albania last September, and almost every albanian we've talked to, expressed their desire to us for a big Albania, with Kosovo and Albania as one. But them, and also us Kosovars, know that won't be possible, so we're very happy with our independence.
     

    Kosta

    The Eccentric
    Jul 16, 2006
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    The Serbs were saying the same things. They were taking back Serbian land, that's what they've been saying.



    Every single Balkan country says this, without an exception.
    Macedonians claim that one part of the Macedonian land is taken by Greece and one by Bulgaria.
    Bulgarians claim that there are 7 more pieces for Bulgaria to be the way it should be. Serbs claim the same thing. Even Croats do that with Herzegovina.
    Greeks want parts of Turkey and the city of Istanbul.


    If you read my posts here carefully you'll see that I'M AGAINST NATIONALISM. But what you claim here is pure nationalism, that's why i don't agree with you.
    How you mean, Macedonians claim and you in another post said the you've studied history... We don't claim , It's a historical fact that the territory was divided between Yugoslavia (in that period named the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians) ,Bulgaria and Greece. The present territory of Macedonia is the part that was given to the Kingdom of SHS at that time.

    Man, I don't want to open that Pandora's box here.
     
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    The Arif

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    I can't chose a side because i'm against both sides in this case. Not against the people but against the nationalistic claims and the methods they use.
    While I know that you don't agree with me either on this case, I know what you mean. In Kosovo's case, it's impossible to talk to a serb or kosovar regarding this case, because both are biased when it comes to Kosovo's independence. For us Kosovars, Kosovo was and will always be our land no matter what, while for serbs Kosovo was always a part of Serbia. There's no third opinion here.
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    Azeris of Iran should get independence as well... there's over 20 million unhappy people in Iran.
    that would be impossible because Kurdish and Assyrians are waiting for their independence to come for more than 80 years on that land you just referred to. northern Iran if Im not mistaken.
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    How you mean, Macedonians claim and you in another post said the you've studied history... We don't claim , It's a historical fact that the territory was divided between Yugoslavia (in that period named the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians) ,Bulgaria and Greece. The present territory of Macedonia is the part that was given to the Kingdom of SHS at that time.

    Man, I don't want to open that Pandora's box here.
    You see, this is what i'm saying all the time :)

    I'm fully aware of all the articles in the Bucharest treaty of 1913 but you guys claim that it was your land.
    Macedonia as a territory has been devided but Macedonia was a piece of land that belonged to Turkey for 5 centuries and belonged to Byzanthine before that, where Slavs (some called themselves Macedonians, some Bulgarians), Greeks, Albanians, Jews, Vlachs and a huge number of Turks lived.
    Slavs, i'll call them Macedonians were 51% (and this is according to Vasil Kanchev, who was a Bulgarian and who overreacted when he gave this number for Slavs, he calls them Bulgarians).
    According to western travelers who had statistical data, no-one had more than 50% in Macedonia.

    Some parts like Katherini were pure Greek, Solun was mostly Jewish, Turks and Vlachs lived everywhere and Turks were majority in most of the towns. Slavs were majority in the part called Vardarska Macedonia.

    It's way more complicated when you look at it as an outsider, mate.
     

    Elvin

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    Nov 25, 2005
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    that would be impossible because Kurdish and Assyrians are waiting for their independence to come for more than 80 years on that land you just referred to. northern Iran if Im not mistaken.
    :lol2:

    That's funny lol

    It's funny how much differs what people believe in, depending on the education they've been given, their brainwashedness level and natural bias.

    The fact is no one really knows anything...
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    :lol2:

    That's funny lol

    It's funny how much differs what people believe in, depending on the education they've been given, their brainwashedness level and natural bias.

    The fact is no one really knows anything...
    Care to explain "Mr. Know it all" ? Enlighten me. Go.
     
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    The Arif

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    Also, regarding Kosovo's and Albania's history, here are some parts that I got from wikipedia:


    Albania is the Medieval Latin name of the country, which is called Shqipëri by the inhabitants. In Medieval Greek, the name is Albania besides variants Albaētia, Arbanētia.(OED). The ultimate origin of the Alb- element has been traced to an Illyrian alb "hill" cognate to the alp "mountain pasture" found in the Alpine region. In the 2nd century BC, in the History of the World, written by Polybius, there is mention of a city named Arbon in present-day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios and Arbanitai.

    Another suggestion is derivation from the Illyrian tribe of the Albanoi recorded by Ptolemy the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria, who drafted a map of remarkable significance for the history of Illyria. This map shows the city of Albanopolis (located Northeast of Durrës).

    In his History written in 1079-1080, Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates was the first to refer to Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. During the Middle Ages, the Albanians called their country Arbër or Arbën and referred to themselves as Arbëresh or Arbnesh. As early as the 16th century, a new name for their home evolved among Albanian people: Shqipëria, "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag. The name probably has its origins in the Skanderbeg family crest.

    The area of today's Albania has been populated since prehistoric times. In antiquity, much of it was settled by the Illyrians, possible ancestors of present-day Albanians. The modern Albanian state comprises the southernmost part of ancient Illyria and the northern part of ancient Epirus.

    The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arbër, or Arbëresh, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës.


    The kingdom of Illyria grew from the general area of modern-day Northern Albania and eventually controlled much of the eastern Adriatic coastline. Scodra was its capital, just as the city is now the most important urban center of northern Albania. The kingdom, however, reached the zenith of its expansion and development in the 4th century BC, when King Bardhyllus , one of the most prominent of the Illyrian kings, united many Illyrian tribes into one Illyrian kingdom, and attacked the Greeks of the Molossian kingdom of Epirus and the kingdom of Macedon. Its decay began under the same ruler as a result of the attacks made by Philip II of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great.

    Kosovo was a part of Illyrian Dardania before the Roman conquest.

    Dardania (Albanian: Dardania; Serbian and Macedonian: Дарданија, Dardanija, Greek: Δαρδανία, Dardania) was an ancient country encompassing southern parts of present-day Serbia and Kosovo and mostly, but not entirely, northern and western parts of the present-day Republic of Macedonia including Skopje, and parts of present-day north-eastern Albania.

    Its native Dardani people were an Thraco-Illyrian tribe. They seem to have often been a threat to the Greeks in the kingdom of Macedon. Dardania's largest towns were those of Naissus (Niš), Therranda (Prizren), Vicianum (Vučitrn), Skopi (Stoc, Skopje), and its capital was Damastioni.
     

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