World Cup 2022 LIVE thread (49 Viewers)

[Osman]

The game is also a lot faster and more physical today so there is reasonable doubt if they (Maradona, Pele) would have been as effective.

Same is true the reverse. Referring protects players 5 times more then in the past. The game is more athletic, but not more physical. You legit got away with butchering star players in the past. Current players not used to that, huge detterent.


While if somehow old legends were born in this era, the transition to faster and more athletic wouldn't be as daunting because they would get the same training advantages as current players.



Plus Pele was super athletic guy.

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Agree: however you would be surprised at how many trying to belittle his achievements

The same goes for all old legends in all sports, people didnt see them play so they are quick to dismiss them. Every generation does the same.

 

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[Bjerknes]

The same goes for all old legends in all sports, people didnt see them play so they are quick to dismiss them. Every generation does the same.

Just like thinking Lebron is better than MJ. Sad.

 

[Rockets]

Since Cameroon in 1990 we all expect teams outside Europe and the SA top 3 to make a step forward but I don't see it. The gap is as big as it was 30+ years ago. South Korea's "success" in 2002 had nothing to do with quality, and everything else from North and Central America, Africa, Asia and Australia was one huge disappointment.

bold part: exactly
italicized part: sad but true

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Morocco the last hope for non-european and non-SA team to qualify. Hope Morty scores a hat trick but Spain lose.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

First game tomorrow is an unexpected tale of coloniser vs colonised

 

[Knowah]

Litterally worst example ever. Every average team in Serie A since Sassuolo has been there has atleast one big win vs Sassuolo.


They are like the least stable defensively team around in top European leagues. They concede goals like they get a bonus check for each.


Incredibly fragile and exposed team at the back (their whole ethos seems Zeman-esque just keep up fancy passing and attacking). People forget that simply because they get couple upsets now and then.

It's a joke.

 

[Clamarc]

Since Cameroon in 1990 we all expect teams outside Europe and the SA top 3 to make a step forward but I don't see it. The gap is as big as it was 30+ years ago. South Korea's "success" in 2002 had nothing to do with quality, and everything else from North and Central America, Africa, Asia and Australia was one huge disappointment.

But WC was always dominated by three nations (Brazil, Italy, Germany).
France first win wasn't so long ago, Spain in 2010. Netherlands and England never even win it considering their talents. So even the big nations took a long time to win it.

Expecting another continents to 'suddenly' become competitive and as big as those nations is really unfair. Some of them already punching above their weight. For Japan, Korea, or Morocco reaching KO stage is already massive achievement.

My bad England won it once, I confused it with Euro.

 

[lgorTudor]

Anglo pundits were even insufferable 20 years ago

 

[Xperd]

But WC was always dominated by three nations (Brazil, Italy, Germany).
France first win wasn't so long ago, Spain in 2010. Netherlands and England never even win it considering their talents. So even the big nations took a long time to win it.

Expecting another continents to 'suddenly' become competitive and as big as those nations is really unfair. Some of them already punching above their weight. For Japan, Korea, or Morocco reaching KO stage is already massive achievement.

My bad England won it once, I confused it with Euro.

Italy won two of their world cups pre World War 2

If you ask me, there have been only 2 dominant nations in the world cup. Brazil and Germany. In terms of goals scored, the no.of semi and final appearances as well.

Then you have countries like Italy and Argentina who are below them.

I expect France to overtake Italy as the Europe's next football dominant force from Europe in the next 2 decades. You can say they already have but I expect them to firmly cement their status.

 

[Bianconero81]

Italy won two of their world cups pre World War 2

If you ask me, there have been only 2 dominant nations in the world cup. Brazil and Germany. In terms of goals scored, the no.of semi and final appearances as well.

Then you have countries like Italy and Argentina who are below them.

I expect France to overtake Italy as the Europe's next football dominant force from Europe in the next 2 decades. You can say they already have but I expect them to firmly cement their status.

Shut your whore mouth. Italy won in 82 and 2006, reaching the final in 94. They also won the Euros only last year, reaching the final in 2000 and 2012. Below Germany? Since 1980, Germany have won the World cup twice, in 90 and 2014, reaching the final in 82, 86 and 2002. During that period, they won the Euros in 80 and 96, reaching the final in 92 and 2008. I get that Germany are marginalyl better in terms of overall accomplishments, but there is no way Italy is a tier below them. Germany have been pathetic for almost a decade now too. I give you that they may be below Brazil, but they are definitely not below Germany, a team they have bested in every single competitive fixture (not friendlies). The only time they actually "lost" to Germany was on penalties at Euro 2016, possibly the worst Italian team in modern history.

I expect Italy to bounce back (WC wise), and I do expect Germany to do better in their next outings (can't possibly be any worse). I do, however, agree that France are a scary proposition, and they can cement themselves as a great footballing nation for the next decade or so (they have to negotiate the pesky Britbongs first, who are no slouches either).

 

[Xperd]

Shut your whore mouth. Italy won in 82 and 2006, reaching the final in 94. They also won the Euros only last year, reaching the final in 2000 and 2012. Below Germany? Since 1980, Germany have won the World cup twice, in 90 and 2014, reaching the final in 82, 86 and 2002. During that period, they won the Euros in 80 and 96, reaching the final in 92 and 2008. I get that Germany are marginalyl better in terms of overall accomplishments, but there is no way Italy is a tier below them. Germany have been pathetic for almost a decade now too. I give you that they may be below Brazil, but they are definitely not below Germany, a team they have bested in every single competitive fixture (not friendlies). The only time they actually "lost" to Germany was on penalties at Euro 2016, possibly the worst Italian team in modern history.

I expect Italy to bounce back (WC wise), and I do expect Germany to do better in their next outings (can't possibly be any worse). I do, however, agree that France are a scary proposition, and they can cement themselves as a great footballing nation for the next decade or so (they have to negotiate the pesky Britbongs first, who are no slouches either).

Sit down you old madarchod

Germany won the world cup 8 years ago ffs. Italy haven't even played a knockout game in 16 years.

Germany have made the semi-finals of the world cup 13 times out of 21 editions. That is football heritage for you. They have also scored 227 goals, the 2nd highest of any country whilst Italy have 138.

Who gives a shit about head to head record? Brazil have a poor head to head record against France, that doesnt mean they are below France.

Overall, Brazil and Germany stand above everyone. Then come the rest.

 

[Bianconero81]

Sit down you old madarchod

Germany won the world cup 8 years ago ffs. Italy haven't even played a knockout game in 16 years.

Germany have made the semi-finals of the world cup 13 times out of 21 editions. That is football heritage for you. They have also scored 227 goals, the 2nd highest of any country whilst Italy have 138.

Who gives a shit about head to head record? Brazil have a poor head to head record against France, that doesnt mean they are below France.

Overall, Brazil and Germany stand above everyone. Then come the rest.

That's your opinion you little brown fucker

I stand by what I said - Italy are not a level or tier below Germany. They have both won the WC 4 times, and Brazil have won it 5 times. In that regard, they are both below Brazil. I can't see why Germany should be considered at the same level as Brazil. I don't give a fuck about number of goals scored as that doesn't equate to titles. Beating Saudi Arabia 8-0 or Zaire 7-0 doesn't matter if you don't win.

 

[Clamarc]

Sit down you old madarchod

Germany won the world cup 8 years ago ffs. Italy haven't even played a knockout game in 16 years.

Germany have made the semi-finals of the world cup 13 times out of 21 editions. That is football heritage for you. They have also scored 227 goals, the 2nd highest of any country whilst Italy have 138.

Who gives a shit about head to head record? Brazil have a poor head to head record against France, that doesnt mean they are below France.

Overall, Brazil and Germany stand above everyone. Then come the rest.

Italy belong to that elite group with Brazil and Germany though. These 3 nations always blessed with overall strong squad from attackers to GK throughout their history.
When Argentina won it was because of Godlike Maradona. 98 France won mostly because of Zidane, only in this modern time France become more solid overall. Spain won with their golden generation that maybe hard to reproduce again in the near future.
There's always ups and downs in football but I expect these 3 nations to bounce back and continues their dominance. But yea, France would join this elite group sooner or later.

 

[Alen]

Italy belong to that elite group with Brazil and Germany though. These 3 nations always blessed with overall strong squad from attackers to GK throughout their history.
When Argentina won it was because of Godlike Maradona. 98 France won mostly because of Zidane, only in this modern time France become more solid overall. Spain won with their golden generation that maybe hard to reproduce again in the near future.
There's always ups and downs in football but I expect these 3 nations to bounce back and continues their dominance. But yea, France would join this elite group sooner or later.

There are 13 teams who have played a WC final. All of them played at least twice in a WC semifinal. These are the WC elite teams. Some of them, like Hungary, Croatia and Czechoslovakia managed to do this with one or two excellent generations, but weren't/aren't traditional favorites. That's why they are number 13, 12 and 11 and aren't in top 10. Some, like Sweden, played 4 times in the semis (one final). Spain made the semis only twice, same as Croatia or Czechoslovakia for example, but won it once. England made the semis three times and won it once. These teams are numbers 10, 9 and 8.
What remains are the ones who make it far pretty regularly. We are talking about 7 teams only: the Netherlands who played 5 semifinals (3 finals) and Uruguay 5 semifinals (won it twice) are number 7 and number 6. France (won it twice, 6 semifinals) and Argentina (won it twice, 5 finals) are numbers 5 and 4. Italy are clear number 3 with 4 wins, 6 finals, 8 semifinals. Germany played most finals (8) and most semifinals (13), but won it "only" 4 times and that's why they are number 2. Brazil are number one for winning it more than anyone else (5 times), though they've played less finals (7) and semifinals (11) than Germany.

So, it's like this:
1. Brazil; 2. Germany; 3. Italy; 4. Argentina; 5. France; 6. Uruguay; 7. Netherlands; 8. England; 9. Spain; 10. Sweden.

 

[Rockets]

Uruguay is the Nottingham Forest in WC and Netherlands Juventus.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Uruguay is the Nottingham Forest in WC and Netherlands Juventus.

Nah Juventus is England in this scenario

Won it before and have failed miserably ever since.

 

[Rockets]

Nah Juventus is England in this scenario

Won it before and have failed miserably ever since.

Fair enough. Now one more reason to root against England. Hope they lose the final to consolidate the resemblance.

 

[Strickland]

There are 13 teams who have played a WC final. All of them played at least twice in a WC semifinal. These are the WC elite teams. Some of them, like Hungary, Croatia and Czechoslovakia managed to do this with one or two excellent generations, but weren't/aren't traditional favorites. That's why they are number 13, 12 and 11 and aren't in top 10. Some, like Sweden, played 4 times in the semis (one final). Spain made the semis only twice, same as Croatia or Czechoslovakia for example, but won it once. England made the semis three times and won it once. These teams are numbers 10, 9 and 8.
What remains are the ones who make it far pretty regularly. We are talking about 7 teams only: the Netherlands who played 5 semifinals (3 finals) and Uruguay 5 semifinals (won it twice) are number 7 and number 6. France (won it twice, 6 semifinals) and Argentina (won it twice, 5 finals) are numbers 5 and 4. Italy are clear number 3 with 4 wins, 6 finals, 8 semifinals. Germany played most finals (8) and most semifinals (13), but won it "only" 4 times and that's why they are number 2. Brazil are number one for winning it more than anyone else (5 times), though they've played less finals (7) and semifinals (11) than Germany.

So, it's like this:
1. Brazil; 2. Germany; 3. Italy; 4. Argentina; 5. France; 6. Uruguay; 7. Netherlands; 8. England; 9. Spain; 10. Sweden.

What I find incredibly unfair is that UEFA + COMNEBOL include 100% of the teams that are likely to win the WC and usually 7/8 or 8/8 teams that make it to the quarter finals are also from these two federations. They are just inherently better at football than the rest of the continents and the competition for World Cup places there is much higher than elsewhere. However when we transition from 32 team WC to a 48 team world cup in 2026, the proportion of UEFA + COMNEBOL changes from 17/32 or 53% to 22.33/48 or 46.5%. It's a lose-lose situation, we get loads more bad teams and it's even more unfair.

Checked the quarterfinals data:
2018 8/8
2014 7/8 (Costa Rica from North America)
2010 7/8 (Ghana from Africa)
2006 8/8
2002 5/8 (US from North America, Senegal from Africa, South Korea from Asia)
1998 8/8
1994 8/8

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Etoo showing a Gen Z YouTuber there are consequences to things you say and do in real life


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fucking video won’t upload. Just Google it.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Etoo showing a Gen Z YouTuber there are consequences to things you say and do in real life


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fucking video won’t upload. Just Google it.

Worked for me

 

[GiocataGrande]

Etoo showing a Gen Z YouTuber there are consequences to things you say and do in real life


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fucking video won’t upload. Just Google it.

aparently the guy filming is from Algeria and was calling Eto a cheater based on some WC qualifier match.