Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (14 Viewers)
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I really think we should put in a bid for Mata this winter given all the drama his relationship with Mou is causing at Chelsea. Mata was really upset when subbed yesterday and people are saying Chelsea would let him go. He is a top top player so if we can get him for a cut price with some magic from Beppe it would be a great start to the new year. Give Conte a present in the form of another elite attacking talent after Tevez in the summer 
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Mata is a dream, there's no way we're able to sign such a player even if he's leaving the club. That's just a too big fish for us. Every single year people talk how we should sign Aguero's and it always ends the same so I guess you better already prepare for a disappointment.
At this point we can chase and be satisfied with Cerci or Cuardado.
At this point we can chase and be satisfied with Cerci or Cuardado.
I dont know man, I feel like that was correct maybe two seasons ago. But now with players like Tevez, Vidal, Pogba, Llorente, Pirlo .. we have alot of big fish at our club, regular CL football and a elite coach. I think we are an attractive proposition to any top player. It was not a case of us not spending before cuz we used to spend huge amounts of money even when we would finish in 7th position .. it was that we could not convince the best players to join us so we had to over pay for good/decent players who had potential. I think we could afford Mata even if he cost us 25 million pounds. Also I would have no problem with him being the only player we bring in this year.
We could recoup a fair amount of his fee by selling Giovinco and Vucinic. His wage would be tough but we need to get a player like him to challenge for the CL sooner or later. Plus he is only 25 so we could get a lot of good years out of him.
We could recoup a fair amount of his fee by selling Giovinco and Vucinic. His wage would be tough but we need to get a player like him to challenge for the CL sooner or later. Plus he is only 25 so we could get a lot of good years out of him.
Well that's we disagree.
I agree -- we're an attractive club at this point. That's simply because we're getting to CL and plenty of players could find a space in our current rooter. But there's simply no way we're going to pay 25mln pounds for him, or any other player at this point (not unless we get insane cash from Pogba or Vidal - which won't happen this summer). Not just that, but we'd have to pay heavy wages as well, which is the second problem. Try to figure out who was our most expensive transfer and you're gonna have to think a lot to come up with a name for who we paid more than 20mln euros. It all goes down on Melo and Diego. To some extent we can mention Amauri but we did sell Nocerino and Lanzafame to fund that transfer. Other than those I think it was only Vucinic who's price was around 17mln euros. Also, gotta mention how Melo, Diego and Mirko had acceptable wages for us, hence the big transfer free. After that period (it's been many years) our transfer policy is way different and it's not how we manage transfers. Take a step in reality and you'll see different things. We signed Tevez for 10mln, Vidal for 11mln and we got Llorente, Pogba and Pirlo on a free transfer and I think it really says something.
There's absolutely no way we can sign a player for a big fee and give him big wages (basically world class players). The only situation we can lure a player here is if he's out of contract and competition is not strong (which by default means he's a bit older like Tevez). And both cases we're not going to see with Mata at this point, as his wages are around 4.5-5mln euros/year at the moment.
I agree -- we're an attractive club at this point. That's simply because we're getting to CL and plenty of players could find a space in our current rooter. But there's simply no way we're going to pay 25mln pounds for him, or any other player at this point (not unless we get insane cash from Pogba or Vidal - which won't happen this summer). Not just that, but we'd have to pay heavy wages as well, which is the second problem. Try to figure out who was our most expensive transfer and you're gonna have to think a lot to come up with a name for who we paid more than 20mln euros. It all goes down on Melo and Diego. To some extent we can mention Amauri but we did sell Nocerino and Lanzafame to fund that transfer. Other than those I think it was only Vucinic who's price was around 17mln euros. Also, gotta mention how Melo, Diego and Mirko had acceptable wages for us, hence the big transfer free. After that period (it's been many years) our transfer policy is way different and it's not how we manage transfers. Take a step in reality and you'll see different things. We signed Tevez for 10mln, Vidal for 11mln and we got Llorente, Pogba and Pirlo on a free transfer and I think it really says something.
There's absolutely no way we can sign a player for a big fee and give him big wages (basically world class players). The only situation we can lure a player here is if he's out of contract and competition is not strong (which by default means he's a bit older like Tevez). And both cases we're not going to see with Mata at this point, as his wages are around 4.5-5mln euros/year at the moment.
dude! look at the total amount we spend each summer. We can easily spend 25 million on Mata if we wanted to but it would limit any additional transfers we planned on making. I dont think it would be a big deal though if we spent the majority of our budget on one player as our current squad is pretty deep. We just need to increase the number of truly elite players in our team and we can handle bringing in one each summer.
25 million each on Amauri, Melo and Diego was a mistake for sure but with a player of Mata's caliber there would be little risk of him failing and even if he did we could sell him later for a decent fee given his success in with Chelsea and young age.. we could not do that with our previous big money buys. Mata is a world class player and 25 million for him in the current inflated market is a bargain given his age and skills. If his situations at Chelsea were not so bad his fee would probably be around 40-50 million. I think this is one of those times which Beppe talks about when he says we will evaluate the market for great opportunities that present themselves.
Mata for 25 million is certainly alot of money but as far as I am concerned its almost like putting our money in the bank cuz Mata is probably about as safe a bet as we could make on a top player. He is only 25, has been producing at the highest level since his debut in Valencia, was Chelsea's best player the last 2 seasons (winning the CL and Europa), plays regularly for Spain and can be used on the left, right or center.
He is exactly what we need. We are a big club and would spend a lot more then 25 million each season even when we were not in the CL. I dont see how we can't spend it now after returning to the top and winning 2 titles in a row!
25 million each on Amauri, Melo and Diego was a mistake for sure but with a player of Mata's caliber there would be little risk of him failing and even if he did we could sell him later for a decent fee given his success in with Chelsea and young age.. we could not do that with our previous big money buys. Mata is a world class player and 25 million for him in the current inflated market is a bargain given his age and skills. If his situations at Chelsea were not so bad his fee would probably be around 40-50 million. I think this is one of those times which Beppe talks about when he says we will evaluate the market for great opportunities that present themselves.
Mata for 25 million is certainly alot of money but as far as I am concerned its almost like putting our money in the bank cuz Mata is probably about as safe a bet as we could make on a top player. He is only 25, has been producing at the highest level since his debut in Valencia, was Chelsea's best player the last 2 seasons (winning the CL and Europa), plays regularly for Spain and can be used on the left, right or center.
He is exactly what we need. We are a big club and would spend a lot more then 25 million each season even when we were not in the CL. I dont see how we can't spend it now after returning to the top and winning 2 titles in a row!
Fine, lets.
This season:
IN: Kabashi (600k), Ogbonna (11.5mln), Zaza (3mln), De Silvestro (700k), Tevez (8mln), Peluso (4mln) ~ 27.8mln euros
OUT: Marrone (4mln), Garcia (400k), Gouano (400k), Matri (9.5mln), Melo (3.3mln), Giaccherini (6.6mln), Gabbiadini (4.8mln), Masi (1.7mln) ~30.7mln
lets see how it looked previous season
IN: Peluso (800k), Gabbiadini (9.6mln), Boakye (3.5mln), Masi (1.7mln), Leali (3.3mln), Asamoah (15.8mln), Isla (8.2mln), Giovinco (9.6mln), Caceres (7mln) ~ 59mln
OUT: Boniperti (800k), Pazienza (250k), Trosi (1.7mln), Melo (1.5mln?), Krasic (6mln), Elia (4.8mln), Pasquato (1.3mln), Immobile (3.5) ~ 20mln
Our net spending is never big really. But pay a close look at wages of players who we bough. They can all fit our wage bill.
I know how you'll say 'oh but lets sell Vucinic and Giovinco'. Every single summer/winter we see people write 'sell x player for x amount' and it looks FM like because it's just a pipe dream at this point. We're not that great at selling players and we rarely sell them. How many times we've seen 'lets sell De Ceglie, Motta, Giovinco, Peluso, Quag etc.' but they are all here. It's more likely we'll use Giovinco for some swap deal IMO and not for outright sale.
And now, out of nowhere, we're 'interested' in a 25mln player with wages around 5mln euros. We also did bad in Europe, probably lost a lot of money as well. So to me it does look like a dream. Hopefully I'm wrong and we buy such players, but I'm not too optimistic, simply because it's not how we do on the market.
This season:
IN: Kabashi (600k), Ogbonna (11.5mln), Zaza (3mln), De Silvestro (700k), Tevez (8mln), Peluso (4mln) ~ 27.8mln euros
OUT: Marrone (4mln), Garcia (400k), Gouano (400k), Matri (9.5mln), Melo (3.3mln), Giaccherini (6.6mln), Gabbiadini (4.8mln), Masi (1.7mln) ~30.7mln
lets see how it looked previous season
IN: Peluso (800k), Gabbiadini (9.6mln), Boakye (3.5mln), Masi (1.7mln), Leali (3.3mln), Asamoah (15.8mln), Isla (8.2mln), Giovinco (9.6mln), Caceres (7mln) ~ 59mln
OUT: Boniperti (800k), Pazienza (250k), Trosi (1.7mln), Melo (1.5mln?), Krasic (6mln), Elia (4.8mln), Pasquato (1.3mln), Immobile (3.5) ~ 20mln
Our net spending is never big really. But pay a close look at wages of players who we bough. They can all fit our wage bill.
I know how you'll say 'oh but lets sell Vucinic and Giovinco'. Every single summer/winter we see people write 'sell x player for x amount' and it looks FM like because it's just a pipe dream at this point. We're not that great at selling players and we rarely sell them. How many times we've seen 'lets sell De Ceglie, Motta, Giovinco, Peluso, Quag etc.' but they are all here. It's more likely we'll use Giovinco for some swap deal IMO and not for outright sale.
And now, out of nowhere, we're 'interested' in a 25mln player with wages around 5mln euros. We also did bad in Europe, probably lost a lot of money as well. So to me it does look like a dream. Hopefully I'm wrong and we buy such players, but I'm not too optimistic, simply because it's not how we do on the market.
If PSG really want Pogba in the summer than Juve should play hard ball.. Only for at least 60 million or 45 + Verratti..
With the 45 million Juve can maybe go for Nani or Di Maria & than give a shot for Shaqiri( or nani & DI Maria).. With their own Budget they can go for a left back and they are done.
With the 45 million Juve can maybe go for Nani or Di Maria & than give a shot for Shaqiri( or nani & DI Maria).. With their own Budget they can go for a left back and they are done.
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Vidal-Verratti
Di Maria-Tevez-Shaqiri
Llorente
I understand he is out of our wage structure but Tevez is on a fairly high wage.
And while we did not spend a huge deal this summer in transfer fees we did spend a huge amount in 2011/12 season (80 million Euro), 2009/10 (45 million Euro), 2007/08 (40 million Euro).
*I got those numbers from transfermarket.co.uk so hopefully they are accurate. They take our expenditures and profits on sales into account
I understand why you are so pessimistic about a signing of a big money player but I really dont feel as it is out of the question. It was previously because we would have to sign several players at a time to improve the squad and starting 11 but now we are fairly settled interms of our squad as a whole and only have to increase certain skill positions with elite talent. I think the club knows we wont improve any further by signing 3 or 4 moderately priced players at a time but instead need 1 or 2 supreme players. The fact we saved on the transfers of players like Tevez, Llorente and Pogba recently should allow us to focus our resources elsewhere too.
And while we did not spend a huge deal this summer in transfer fees we did spend a huge amount in 2011/12 season (80 million Euro), 2009/10 (45 million Euro), 2007/08 (40 million Euro).
*I got those numbers from transfermarket.co.uk so hopefully they are accurate. They take our expenditures and profits on sales into account
I understand why you are so pessimistic about a signing of a big money player but I really dont feel as it is out of the question. It was previously because we would have to sign several players at a time to improve the squad and starting 11 but now we are fairly settled interms of our squad as a whole and only have to increase certain skill positions with elite talent. I think the club knows we wont improve any further by signing 3 or 4 moderately priced players at a time but instead need 1 or 2 supreme players. The fact we saved on the transfers of players like Tevez, Llorente and Pogba recently should allow us to focus our resources elsewhere too.
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