Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (12 Viewers)

[Hængebøffer]

Santon shut down Ronaldo under Mourinho. Every idiot can defend, when your team only want to, not only park the ferry, but destroy the football game.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Barzagli has been great, but he's now past his prime as well.

Chiellini as a CB in a four is good, but left-back is a disaster.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Chiellini is better in a 4 man line. Gets way too much of the ball in a 3 man line.

Barzagli-Chiellini in a 4 man line with Ogbonna as a backup is one of the best CB rotations you will find.

Both can be destroyed in a high pace game.

Chiellini had good moments in 3-5-2, but his form fell too much and now he's rather average most of the time. Nothing indicates he'd be better in 4 man defense really. I don't think he gets the ball way too much, it's usually Bonucci who holds the ball. Chiellini makes way too many mistakes even without the ball, opponents get past him much more easier nowadays.

One of the best CB rotations? You make it sound like all three of them are world class players, which they are not.

 

[Bjerknes]

Santon shut down Ronaldo under Mourinho. Every idiot can defend, when your team only want to, not only park the ferry, but destroy the football game.

So you're saying you wouldn't take Pepe at Juventus?

 

[Hængebøffer]

Would you take it over Madrid's in Europe?

I wouldn't.

That's just wrong. Real Madrid need a central midfield and defense like ours, to win something special regularly and Mourinho knew that.

 

[juve_abdaf80]

So you're saying you wouldn't take Pepe at Juventus?

What place in the starting team would you give to Pepe

 

[Hængebøffer]

So you're saying you wouldn't take Pepe at Juventus?

Yes. I don't think our defense is that shitty and I think Pepe is too much an idiot + I really dislike him. Our problem got more to do with our mentality (Conte).

Most of our players proved how good they are both in club and nt.

 

[MikeM]

Both can be destroyed in a high pace game.

Chiellini had good moments in 3-5-2, but his form fell too much and now he's rather average most of the time. Nothing indicates he'd be better in 4 man defense really. I don't think he gets the ball way too much, it's usually Bonucci who holds the ball. Chiellini makes way too many mistakes even without the ball, opponents get past him much more easier nowadays.

One of the best CB rotations? You make it sound like all three of them are world class players, which they are not.

I don't know how you can say both can be "destroyed" in a high pace game. I can't even remember the last time Barzagli has been beaten, let alone destroyed.

Chiellini does get way too much of the ball in attacking areas. It's the function of our system when Pirlo is marked. Him and Barza are the only men open but in any case, has nothing to do with his defending. Chiellini's defensive mistakes have mostly come from wide areas because he's playing as a wide CB so to speak.

The differences between playing CB in a 3 man and 4 man line are quite stark. I mean, in a 3 man line you're basically man-marking the whole match which would be hell for any CB. Chiellini hasn't been as poor as you think IMO. The only CB with adequate cover is Bonucci. Barzagli and Chiellini have no real cover, they're basically man-marking.

And I'm not trying to say they're all world class, that's just you putting words in my mouth quite frankly. Barzagli is definitely world class though.

But honestly, how many CB rotations in a 4 man line would you take than ours? Surely not more than 5.

 

[Bjerknes]

What place in the starting team would you give to Pepe

Over Bonucci for sure.

Yes. I don't think our defense is that $#@!ty and I think Pepe is too much an idiot + I really dislike him. Our problem got more to do with our mentality (Conte).

Most of our players proved how good they are both in club and nt.

Our defense isn't "shiitty", it's just overrated. Bonucci makes mistakes all the time and Chiellini is disaster prone as well. The Cannavaro and Thuram duo was easily better than what we have now, but that was a world class defense.

 

[juve_abdaf80]

Over Bonucci for sure.

But Bonucci only plays in 352. You could take Pepe as sweeper ?

 

[Bjerknes]

But Bonucci only plays in 352. You could take Pepe as sweeper ?

That just goes to show he sucks. A defender should be able to defend in any formation.

 

[Ragazza]

Same thing Chiellini does, really.

Can't recall Chiellini ever intentionally stomping on someone when they're already down, for example.

 

[Gep]

If Lamela comes I give it a month before Chiellini injures him in training or an actual match.

Lamela looks too much like a lady boy. More so than Thiago Silva.

 

[juve_abdaf80]

That just goes to show he sucks. A defender should be able to defend in any formation.

I mean in 4 backline, Barzagli and Chiellini would start. Or Ogbonna, good talent.

Would you pick Pepe over Barzagli or Chiellini ?

 

[MikeM]

There is no question IMO that Bonucci is a garbage CB. He's either a sweeper or some retarded type of midfielder. The 3-5-2 with Barzagli and Chiellini makes him look like a decent player which is a huge credit to those 2 CBs.

 

[Bjerknes]

Can't recall Chiellini ever intentionally stomping on someone when they're already down, for example.

And Nedved wasn't a diver.

Who cares?

I mean in 4 backline, Barzagli and Chiellini would start. Or Ogbonna, good talent.

Would you pick Pepe over Barzagli or Chiellini ?

I wouldn't pick Pepe over Barzagli. Chiellini a few years ago was good.

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There is no question IMO that Bonucci is a garbage CB. He's either a sweeper or some retarded type of midfielder. The 3-5-2 with Barzagli and Chiellini makes him look like a decent player which is a huge credit to those 2 CBs.

Bonucci is like a really really defensive midfielder who has no skills and just drops back behind the center backs and thinks he's Beckenbauer.

 

[Lion]

why are we even discussing pepe or madrid?

Juventus' biggest problem is conte. anything else is insignificant in comparison

 

[Bjerknes]

Remember when Conte missed that chance against Milan in the 2003 final?

I'll never forgive him for that.

 

[juve_abdaf80]

Juventus biggest problem is Barzagli. If he leaves, our defence is gone

 

[GordoDeCentral]

why are we even discussing pepe or madrid?

Juventus' biggest problem is conte. anything else is insignificant in comparison

you should gone with marchisio for the good troll