Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (8 Viewers)
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I'd like the following :
As conte currently states, we cannot play 4-3-3 because its a pathetic easely countered formation, but also because he doesnt have simone pepe to make it much better then it would actually be.
I'd like to see us transition in a 4-2-3-1 slowly, and juventus partially got the players for that, and then some.
Currently, the only thing we are really missing, are the wide midfielders. But we need to remember the juventus style, and copy a bit from bayern.
What do we got ?
Goalkeeper
We got someone who was once a goalkeeper, and still is when he isnt stiff from petanque.
defence
Needs a 4man backline and we can offer it.
Lichtsteiner and Ogbonna on the flank. Both need to back up the wide midfielders and will do excellently. Why ogbonna ? currently he is very good when we play teams parking the bus, when he can push up the play, be physically good for the space in his back and has pretty good passing for a defender. Lichtsteiner has the same thing going, and added to that has his marauding runs.
As central pairing there is choise of barzagli, chiellini and bonucci, excellent players, who can be picked depending on opponent and referee.
Licht-barzagli-chiellini-ogbonna is a very strong complete and physically imposing backline. Caceres, peluso and bonucci are good replacements. less solid but add more to the offensive.
the holding midfielders
Vidal-pogba
Seriously, just remember the madrid game. rock fucking solid. And pogba can build the play from the back. Not as good as pirlo, but pogba is much more complete then pirlo at this point and could rise to become as good as pirlo was in terms of overall quality and value to the team, if not more.
We got excellent dept here. Asamoah comes to mind. Also marchisio if he isnt further up the field. THis change in holding midfielders, eliminates the need for a regista. Thanks to pogba.
The wide midfielders
Yeah, this is the problem. aint got any. truth be told, conte's 4-3-3 was actually more a 4-5-1. Pepe is more a midfielder as a winger. This position is where we have the issue. Ideally, we'd like a player with high agression and workrate, but also creatively excellent cause both need to replace pirlo's creativity.
Lavezzi, and sanchez (pure exemplary)
Both players got high agression, high workrate. Dont mind to defend all the way to their own cornerflag. Both prefer to press from certain area's. both have excellent defensive and tactical qualities relevant to the position.
But once in possession, both are fast (critical here), both have a good dribble, a good cross and can score goals themselves.
THE ideal player for this position (wel actually, thats gareth bale but nvm)
the CAM/trequartista/creative SS
Wel this depends really. Can play marchisio there against strong opponents. Can play tevez there to. Considering no pirlo, preferably tevez.
It would truely give him all the options with all that space, wide midfielders to connect with and a lone forward to pass it to
The lone forward
For us currently, that would be Llorente, or tevez. But really a llorente that finds his form, and he was pretty improving against real, would be so excellent here. yeah, we could play tevez here if marchisio is at the SS, but thats mostly a "fuck you we dont want to play game" formation
Summary
i know, we aint nearly got the cash for those two guys. but its just an example based on their qualities and playstyle
Admit it. You'd all love it !
As conte currently states, we cannot play 4-3-3 because its a pathetic easely countered formation, but also because he doesnt have simone pepe to make it much better then it would actually be.
I'd like to see us transition in a 4-2-3-1 slowly, and juventus partially got the players for that, and then some.
Currently, the only thing we are really missing, are the wide midfielders. But we need to remember the juventus style, and copy a bit from bayern.
What do we got ?
Goalkeeper
We got someone who was once a goalkeeper, and still is when he isnt stiff from petanque.
defence
Needs a 4man backline and we can offer it.
Lichtsteiner and Ogbonna on the flank. Both need to back up the wide midfielders and will do excellently. Why ogbonna ? currently he is very good when we play teams parking the bus, when he can push up the play, be physically good for the space in his back and has pretty good passing for a defender. Lichtsteiner has the same thing going, and added to that has his marauding runs.
As central pairing there is choise of barzagli, chiellini and bonucci, excellent players, who can be picked depending on opponent and referee.
Licht-barzagli-chiellini-ogbonna is a very strong complete and physically imposing backline. Caceres, peluso and bonucci are good replacements. less solid but add more to the offensive.
the holding midfielders
Vidal-pogba
Seriously, just remember the madrid game. rock fucking solid. And pogba can build the play from the back. Not as good as pirlo, but pogba is much more complete then pirlo at this point and could rise to become as good as pirlo was in terms of overall quality and value to the team, if not more.
We got excellent dept here. Asamoah comes to mind. Also marchisio if he isnt further up the field. THis change in holding midfielders, eliminates the need for a regista. Thanks to pogba.
The wide midfielders
Yeah, this is the problem. aint got any. truth be told, conte's 4-3-3 was actually more a 4-5-1. Pepe is more a midfielder as a winger. This position is where we have the issue. Ideally, we'd like a player with high agression and workrate, but also creatively excellent cause both need to replace pirlo's creativity.
Lavezzi, and sanchez (pure exemplary)
Both players got high agression, high workrate. Dont mind to defend all the way to their own cornerflag. Both prefer to press from certain area's. both have excellent defensive and tactical qualities relevant to the position.
But once in possession, both are fast (critical here), both have a good dribble, a good cross and can score goals themselves.
THE ideal player for this position (wel actually, thats gareth bale but nvm)
the CAM/trequartista/creative SS
Wel this depends really. Can play marchisio there against strong opponents. Can play tevez there to. Considering no pirlo, preferably tevez.
It would truely give him all the options with all that space, wide midfielders to connect with and a lone forward to pass it to
The lone forward
For us currently, that would be Llorente, or tevez. But really a llorente that finds his form, and he was pretty improving against real, would be so excellent here. yeah, we could play tevez here if marchisio is at the SS, but thats mostly a "fuck you we dont want to play game" formation
Summary
buffon
licht - barzagli - chiellini - ogbonna
vidal - pogba
lavezzi - tevez - sanchez
llorente
licht - barzagli - chiellini - ogbonna
vidal - pogba
lavezzi - tevez - sanchez
llorente
i know, we aint nearly got the cash for those two guys. but its just an example based on their qualities and playstyle
Admit it. You'd all love it !
It combines the need of thos forum for fluent pressing play, with the absolute solid form a juventus side needs.
It is not a country for giovinco's. They have no power here.
In this formation, if lavezzi and sanchez are played to their potential, considering their end product and overal impact to the team (counting their defensive ability, workrate, teamplay, pressing, etc)...
....it would take something REALLY special for a purely offensive player to replace them
It is not a country for giovinco's. They have no power here.
In this formation, if lavezzi and sanchez are played to their potential, considering their end product and overal impact to the team (counting their defensive ability, workrate, teamplay, pressing, etc)...
....it would take something REALLY special for a purely offensive player to replace them
Ogbonna at LB? Just no.
The rest is great, although not realistic. Menez and Lavezzi is more realistic, but still far away from it.
Not bat. But i will prefer this:
The rest is great, although not realistic. Menez and Lavezzi is more realistic, but still far away from it.
Buffon
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Pogba - Vidal
Menez - Tevez - Lavezzi
Llorente
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Pogba - Vidal
Menez - Tevez - Lavezzi
Llorente
Not bat. But i will prefer this:
Buffon
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Vidal - Hernanes - Pogba
Kagawa
Tevez - Llorente
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Vidal - Hernanes - Pogba
Kagawa
Tevez - Llorente
Ogbonna at LB? Just no.
The rest is great, although not realistic. Menez and Lavezzi is more realistic, but still far away from it.
The rest is great, although not realistic. Menez and Lavezzi is more realistic, but still far away from it.
Buffon
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Pogba - Vidal
Menez - Tevez - Lavezzi
Llorente
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Pogba - Vidal
Menez - Tevez - Lavezzi
Llorente
It needs to be a fast&strong player, high agression and workrate, but good acceleration and dribbeling when on the ball,with eighter a good cross, or good at cutting inside, whilst having decent finishing is a plus.
As you might see, very few players fit the bill.
Ogbonna at Lb ? but offcourse, whats the issue ?
Certainly, against Di Maria, he had troubles with all that space in front of him, but a wide midfielder helps that. Having that said, did Ogbonna fuck up ? not even once. Di Maria never got past him, he rather move away from ogbonna. this is critical. this system requires a physically strong fullback, with good passing and positionning, that is very good in 1v1
ogbonna is that player
And tbh, i consider sanchez much more realistic then coentrao for a team that has the cash. Barcelona will replace sanchez the second someone pays his price
Coentrao to Man UTD on loan was all but done at the end of the summer mercato. I dont think that Sanchez will be easier to get at the moment. Plus Coentrao barely plays for Real, Sanchez is playing a lot in Barca this season.
I agree about the part where you said that this system requires a psysically strong fullback, but Ogbonna is just not it. Id rather play Giorgio or Caceres as a LB instead of him.
I agree about the part where you said that this system requires a psysically strong fullback, but Ogbonna is just not it. Id rather play Giorgio or Caceres as a LB instead of him.
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