Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (35 Viewers)
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You can offcourse stop the Mata bullshit, once you realise this is juventus, not milan.
So, why is mata, a massively talented player, potentially on the market ?
Quite simply, cause he's a fancypants freerole flank dude, that doesnt offer the tactical and defensive work that mourinho requires of his wider players.
Hazard, is doing much better in that regard. He's no eto'o who Mou used allmost as a defensive winger at inter, but he's doing his tracking back, pressuring opponents and closing down like Mou asks. Mata doesnt, so he's not in the team.
Now, what coach is known to understand its clubs tradition and value's, and demands exactly the same grit, determination and workrate from his wide&offensive players ?
Antonio Conte.
The very reason Mata is failing to play for Mou's chelsea, is exactly what we value the most in potential 4-3-3 wide forwards.
SO if Mata cannot adapt to Mourinho's style, he equally cannot adapt to juve's style.
Its tuttosport, so likely shit, but it would be a very good move.
Pirlo is decaying hard, and pogba has showed that he is ineffective as a regista, but talented as fuck as box-to-box midfielder.
So, why is mata, a massively talented player, potentially on the market ?
Quite simply, cause he's a fancypants freerole flank dude, that doesnt offer the tactical and defensive work that mourinho requires of his wider players.
Hazard, is doing much better in that regard. He's no eto'o who Mou used allmost as a defensive winger at inter, but he's doing his tracking back, pressuring opponents and closing down like Mou asks. Mata doesnt, so he's not in the team.
Now, what coach is known to understand its clubs tradition and value's, and demands exactly the same grit, determination and workrate from his wide&offensive players ?
Antonio Conte.
The very reason Mata is failing to play for Mou's chelsea, is exactly what we value the most in potential 4-3-3 wide forwards.
SO if Mata cannot adapt to Mourinho's style, he equally cannot adapt to juve's style.
Its tuttosport, so likely shit, but it would be a very good move.
Pirlo is decaying hard, and pogba has showed that he is ineffective as a regista, but talented as fuck as box-to-box midfielder.
You're telling us that we shouldn't get a player who had 37 goals and 51 assists in last two seasons because he is not that good defensively? He is an AMF, not a DM, not a box-to-box, not a CB. His duty is to score and assist and he is one of the best in the game in that regard. What's so hard to understand?
And you make it sound like Pirlo is a rock defensively.
From all the top teams out there we are the most defensive and non-creative one, today we had to use Ogbonna a CB as a regista since nowadays Pirlo is marked out the match way too often.
And it was the same Mourinho who also benched Higuain most of the time in Madrid, but we didn't see you telling us how he isn't good.
But what matters is that we won't get him, he is out of our reach.
Agree about the Xabi part.
Mata would be amazing. We don't need him to track back. j0ker hit the nail on the head in his post. 
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It's just a style thing with Mou. Mata is more slow paced and reliant on dribbling and short passes, while Mou prefers Oscar who's a more traditional trequartista.
Mata is similar to Iniesta. Saying no to that would be fucking ridiculous.
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It's just a style thing with Mou. Mata is more slow paced and reliant on dribbling and short passes, while Mou prefers Oscar who's a more traditional trequartista.
Mata is similar to Iniesta. Saying no to that would be fucking ridiculous.
Mourinho has no problem with it
What i said were exactly mourinhos words in an intervieuw earlyer
mata doesnt track back. So do not want.
You need to understan you cant just mix stuff up cause its a good player.
Balance is key
Mata would be amazing. We don't need him to track back. j0ker hit the nail on the head in his post.
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It's just a style thing with Mou. Mata is more slow paced and reliant on dribbling and short passes, while Mou prefers Oscar who's a more traditional trequartista.
Mata is similar to Iniesta. Saying no to that would be fucking ridiculous.
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It's just a style thing with Mou. Mata is more slow paced and reliant on dribbling and short passes, while Mou prefers Oscar who's a more traditional trequartista.
Mata is similar to Iniesta. Saying no to that would be fucking ridiculous.
mata doesnt track back. So do not want.
You need to understan you cant just mix stuff up cause its a good player.
Balance is key
Yeah, agreed. Just meant style wise.
Why do all our players have to track back? we okay with 3 defenders, two defensive wingbacks, vidal, pogba, and pirlo who can't venture forward. the only attacking threat is from the two strikers or if a midfielder makes a run. it's a pussy formation and we need more attacking minded players.
Why do all our players have to track back? we okay with 3 defenders, two defensive wingbacks, vidal, pogba, and pirlo who can't venture forward. the only attacking threat is from the two strikers or if a midfielder makes a run. it's a pussy formation and we need more attacking minded players.
Juventus is paying a lot of intallments in the next 2 years. We won't spend big, unless we sell big. I'd say it will be maximum of around 15M spent in total.
So no chance for Mata and other high regarded players. Xabi is a very good option. I'd be satisfied to see him replace Pirlo next season (since Pirlo won't agree to cohexist with him).
What we really need right now is Xabi + a decent LWB + an AM for rotation.
So no chance for Mata and other high regarded players. Xabi is a very good option. I'd be satisfied to see him replace Pirlo next season (since Pirlo won't agree to cohexist with him).
What we really need right now is Xabi + a decent LWB + an AM for rotation.
I assume you never saw the great classic formations of juventus ?
We never were an all out attacking team, with flair and fancy all over the place. No, we have allways had sides filled with grit and determination, so a few maestro's could dictate the play.
I cant recall a juventus were more then 1 player was allowed to not track back. And that player was del piero. Tutti and Del Piero in the same team ? never, "cause two players didnt track back".
But it makes sense. Like the fantastic 1995 juventus, Conte build a formation that is perfect and bleeding out all creativity of the opponent. The only creative sources are Pirlo and Tevez, who both run quite a big distance.
VIdal, Pogba, Marchisio, passing and midfield runners to create danger.
Isla/licht, Asamoah/peluso, are there to lock the flank, push and stretch the play. the starters arent crossers, but thats not neccecary for them.
I quite like this juventus. It will destroy many fucking flairfull teams.
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Peluso/asamoah is decent LWB
If we have Xabi, we'd be having Xabi, vidal, pogba with marchuisio and pirlo on the bench. thats good enough to not need another cm/lwb backup.
We dont use an AM, so there is no need to buy one. Tevez/Vucinic is more then good enough, and our wagebill doesnt allow more
I agree completely on xabi alonso
We never were an all out attacking team, with flair and fancy all over the place. No, we have allways had sides filled with grit and determination, so a few maestro's could dictate the play.
I cant recall a juventus were more then 1 player was allowed to not track back. And that player was del piero. Tutti and Del Piero in the same team ? never, "cause two players didnt track back".
But it makes sense. Like the fantastic 1995 juventus, Conte build a formation that is perfect and bleeding out all creativity of the opponent. The only creative sources are Pirlo and Tevez, who both run quite a big distance.
VIdal, Pogba, Marchisio, passing and midfield runners to create danger.
Isla/licht, Asamoah/peluso, are there to lock the flank, push and stretch the play. the starters arent crossers, but thats not neccecary for them.
I quite like this juventus. It will destroy many fucking flairfull teams.
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Peluso/asamoah is decent LWB
If we have Xabi, we'd be having Xabi, vidal, pogba with marchuisio and pirlo on the bench. thats good enough to not need another cm/lwb backup.
We dont use an AM, so there is no need to buy one. Tevez/Vucinic is more then good enough, and our wagebill doesnt allow more
I agree completely on xabi alonso
Yeah, i mean dont get me wrong, Mata is a very very good player in his niche.
But juventus simply isnt the team that has wingers who are allowed free roles. Many people here, possibly not knowing what our history has been, seemb to be wanting us to take more south american talent (bjerkness) in the team, and generally ditch most of the grit/defensive players, and replace them with a team of fancy passers and free role wingers.
I'm sorry, but that simply is not juventus, and what it stands for.
Mourinho himself said, that mata doesnt move, positions and tracks like he wants, and that untill then he cannot use him.
And Mourinho's chelsea/porto/inter, and Conte's juventus, had much in commen when it comes to the workrate and sacrifice of the more offensive players
But juventus simply isnt the team that has wingers who are allowed free roles. Many people here, possibly not knowing what our history has been, seemb to be wanting us to take more south american talent (bjerkness) in the team, and generally ditch most of the grit/defensive players, and replace them with a team of fancy passers and free role wingers.
I'm sorry, but that simply is not juventus, and what it stands for.
Mourinho himself said, that mata doesnt move, positions and tracks like he wants, and that untill then he cannot use him.
And Mourinho's chelsea/porto/inter, and Conte's juventus, had much in commen when it comes to the workrate and sacrifice of the more offensive players
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