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Still too soon to be writing Buffon off, though Juve should be monitoring other long-term options.
Certainly don't expect Buffon to keep going to 40 like some keepers - not due to his current form, but due to his back problems.
I always prefer a back four, so no convincing required to get me on board with that.
I'd still be looking at playing Chiellini at left back, though.
I think he can be overly aggressive for a back four when played in the centre, which can lead to issues, but I love that aggression to be shown by a full back. His crossing ability is also better than he tends to be given credit for.
That's all fine so long as you are prepared to limit Pogba to a primarily deep, defensive role, rather than giving him more freedom to impose himself on the game.
Extremely hard to find players with both the workrate and the ability to make the role work.
For that reason, I lean toward more of a 4-3-3. The extra midfielder allows at least one of the winger to not work so hard, and that would make it much easier to find an appropriate player.
As an additional factor, I tend to want one winger to be a genuine winger to stay wide and stretch the game and look to beat his man and get crosses in, while I'd look for the other winger to be more inward looking and inclined to get closer to the CF and provide more of a goal threat.
Błaszczykowski and Reus at Dortmund would be a good example of that.
Tend to prefer a midfielder to a forward in this postion, as hard as Tevez works, though it depends on the precise balance of the team and what you want from the player in this position.
Wouldn't want Tevez here.
Want the CF to be playing right up on the last line of defence and to be strong with his back to goal, rather than wandering a lot as Tevez would be inclined to.
Depends on what other players you have around him, though.
In conclusion, you'd be better off watching Aberdeen this season.
Back four made up of three centre halves and a right back who is still more Ivanovic-esque rather than being a modern full back.
Jack as the strong, mobile, technically sound, intelligent defensive midfielder/ball winner.
Flood as a Modric-type to wander around freely making passes, while still working very hard and winning lots of balls.
Pawlett as the box-to-box player/trequartista with lots of aggression and tremendous ability to run with the ball at pace and beat people, while still being very tough and aggressive, so as to not be a defensive liability.
Hayes as the Ribery-esque talented workhorse who gets up and down the flank all day while still providing a good quality of final ball. Two footed enough to be equally happy going on the inside or outside of his man.
McGinn as more of a second striker-type player who looks to get close to the centre forward and provide a goal threat, rather than being overly involved in the build up play.
Choice of Zola (Luca Toni), Vernon (Crespo) and Magennis (my brother compared Lukaku's perfomance away to Croatia with Magennis
) for centre forward depending on circumstances.
*I am only using these great players for style comparisons. Not really suggesting Aberdeen players are that good.
Flood plays it forward to Pawlett in trequartista position, he drives forward before playing it wide for McGinn, who plays in a great ball for Zola.
Certainly don't expect Buffon to keep going to 40 like some keepers - not due to his current form, but due to his back problems.
I always prefer a back four, so no convincing required to get me on board with that.
I'd still be looking at playing Chiellini at left back, though.
I think he can be overly aggressive for a back four when played in the centre, which can lead to issues, but I love that aggression to be shown by a full back. His crossing ability is also better than he tends to be given credit for.
That's all fine so long as you are prepared to limit Pogba to a primarily deep, defensive role, rather than giving him more freedom to impose himself on the game.
Extremely hard to find players with both the workrate and the ability to make the role work.
For that reason, I lean toward more of a 4-3-3. The extra midfielder allows at least one of the winger to not work so hard, and that would make it much easier to find an appropriate player.
As an additional factor, I tend to want one winger to be a genuine winger to stay wide and stretch the game and look to beat his man and get crosses in, while I'd look for the other winger to be more inward looking and inclined to get closer to the CF and provide more of a goal threat.
Błaszczykowski and Reus at Dortmund would be a good example of that.
Tend to prefer a midfielder to a forward in this postion, as hard as Tevez works, though it depends on the precise balance of the team and what you want from the player in this position.
Wouldn't want Tevez here.
Want the CF to be playing right up on the last line of defence and to be strong with his back to goal, rather than wandering a lot as Tevez would be inclined to.
Depends on what other players you have around him, though.
In conclusion, you'd be better off watching Aberdeen this season.
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Flood---Jack
Pawlett
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Back four made up of three centre halves and a right back who is still more Ivanovic-esque rather than being a modern full back.
Jack as the strong, mobile, technically sound, intelligent defensive midfielder/ball winner.
Flood as a Modric-type to wander around freely making passes, while still working very hard and winning lots of balls.
Pawlett as the box-to-box player/trequartista with lots of aggression and tremendous ability to run with the ball at pace and beat people, while still being very tough and aggressive, so as to not be a defensive liability.
Hayes as the Ribery-esque talented workhorse who gets up and down the flank all day while still providing a good quality of final ball. Two footed enough to be equally happy going on the inside or outside of his man.
McGinn as more of a second striker-type player who looks to get close to the centre forward and provide a goal threat, rather than being overly involved in the build up play.
Choice of Zola (Luca Toni), Vernon (Crespo) and Magennis (my brother compared Lukaku's perfomance away to Croatia with Magennis
) for centre forward depending on circumstances.*I am only using these great players for style comparisons. Not really suggesting Aberdeen players are that good.
Flood plays it forward to Pawlett in trequartista position, he drives forward before playing it wide for McGinn, who plays in a great ball for Zola.
Good stuff @Red.
We can see, the points of discuttion here are the holding midfielders and the wingers
I would allways put llorente as CF, but technically you can put tevez there aswel, but alot less effective
First of all, i find it important to have strong, complete players whenever possible. I think Pogba doesnt offer the endproduct to be played offensively. sure he's excellent box to box, but a more holding roll is something he would equally if not more excell in.
He has the skill to become a midfield general. He has the defensive qualities, exceptional positionning for his age. But he couples it with impressive technique, passing and shooting, even dribbeling.
Look at the madrid game. He was very good when playing that bit deeper next to vidal, but when pressured, he comfortably played his way out of danger. THAT is what i want from my holding midfielders. Not hoofing it or bad pass. No, technique and composure to help themselves.
the CAM needs to be a highly working, aggressive player with creativity and scoring. Thats tevez in a nutshell basically
Now as for the wingers, indeed tricky.
Basically, i wanna see players working and beeing aggressive the entire time. but when in possession, very fast, and a good dribble and eighter shot or cross.
Lavezzi fits the bill. So does Sanchez. Or Cuadrado (mother of god).shaquiri fits the bill. Lucas from PSG is not physically that imposing, but he also fits the bill.
See, these wingers are the gold of the team. They need to have alot of qualities,and there arent that many around.
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the problem is that, imagine that we actually byt cuadrado.
thats still a winger short. Unless pepe wakes the hell up. But pepe, while astonishingly good workrate and aggression, doesnt have that offensive endproduct
but well, with tevez, cuadrado and lorry, i suppose we could manage. And be a pain in the ass to break down
We can see, the points of discuttion here are the holding midfielders and the wingers
I would allways put llorente as CF, but technically you can put tevez there aswel, but alot less effective
First of all, i find it important to have strong, complete players whenever possible. I think Pogba doesnt offer the endproduct to be played offensively. sure he's excellent box to box, but a more holding roll is something he would equally if not more excell in.
He has the skill to become a midfield general. He has the defensive qualities, exceptional positionning for his age. But he couples it with impressive technique, passing and shooting, even dribbeling.
Look at the madrid game. He was very good when playing that bit deeper next to vidal, but when pressured, he comfortably played his way out of danger. THAT is what i want from my holding midfielders. Not hoofing it or bad pass. No, technique and composure to help themselves.
the CAM needs to be a highly working, aggressive player with creativity and scoring. Thats tevez in a nutshell basically
Now as for the wingers, indeed tricky.
Basically, i wanna see players working and beeing aggressive the entire time. but when in possession, very fast, and a good dribble and eighter shot or cross.
Lavezzi fits the bill. So does Sanchez. Or Cuadrado (mother of god).shaquiri fits the bill. Lucas from PSG is not physically that imposing, but he also fits the bill.
See, these wingers are the gold of the team. They need to have alot of qualities,and there arent that many around.
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the problem is that, imagine that we actually byt cuadrado.
thats still a winger short. Unless pepe wakes the hell up. But pepe, while astonishingly good workrate and aggression, doesnt have that offensive endproduct
but well, with tevez, cuadrado and lorry, i suppose we could manage. And be a pain in the ass to break down
he was lingering around the lower tiers of English football and relatively decent last season but he sure won't ever fill the promise he had
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I don't think it would be too difficult to negotiate udinese's half for cuadrado, we have an excellent relationship with udinese and i don't see why we can't give up our half for Isla to make it happen, bidding against fiorentina for full rights won't be too hard with our financial strength
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I don't think it would be too difficult to negotiate udinese's half for cuadrado, we have an excellent relationship with udinese and i don't see why we can't give up our half for Isla to make it happen, bidding against fiorentina for full rights won't be too hard with our financial strength
If we go for a 4-3-3
Buffon
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Honestly I dont like that for two reasons we would have no creativity other than tevez and we would have one wide player and 2 cfs forcing our fullback to act as a wingback howver with a 4-2-3-1
Buffon
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Llorente
With this formation tou hve creativity from tevez ans the wingers
Buffon
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Vidal-pogba-marchisio
Lavezzi-llorente-tevez
Honestly I dont like that for two reasons we would have no creativity other than tevez and we would have one wide player and 2 cfs forcing our fullback to act as a wingback howver with a 4-2-3-1
Buffon
Licht-barz-chiell-caceres
Vidal-pogba
Menez-tevez-lavezzi
Llorente
With this formation tou hve creativity from tevez ans the wingers
I've no issue with Pogba playing deep and focusing on that role. It's just that he is a threat going forward and so you have to be prepared to sacrifice that aspect of his game to a large extent. I've no doubt he can become an excellent defensive midfielder.
Wingers are undoubtedly extremely difficult to find just now, because everyone more interested in fancy inward-looking creative players like David Silva, rather than more orthodox wingers who can provide great balance to a side with their workrate.
One of the reasons I have been relatively open to Juve playing 3-5-2, despite my dislike of the system, is that I believe - with the types of players around in football just now - it's probably one of the systems that is easiest to find players that fit to it. The lack of full backs and wingers that play in the way I like, means it'd be very tough for me to find the players I'd want to play 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.
I think the key difference between us on the 4-2-3-1 system you are suggesting, is that I don't see any natural spot for Tevez. I doesn't fit my ideal for either centre forward or trequartista and you limit his effectiveness if you play him wide.
Now I'm not going to suggest Juve should play 4-2-3-1 with Tevez either at centre forward or trequartista if everything else fell into place for it, but you'd need the other positons to be filled by players who really suit playing with him.
Hamsik is the guy jumping to mind as probably my ideal trequartista in a 4-2-3-1. There are probably others I'd take ahead of him, but they aren't coming to mind just now. He's tremendously productive in attack, but his being a midfielder gives you a bit more tactical flexibility.
Wingers are undoubtedly extremely difficult to find just now, because everyone more interested in fancy inward-looking creative players like David Silva, rather than more orthodox wingers who can provide great balance to a side with their workrate.
One of the reasons I have been relatively open to Juve playing 3-5-2, despite my dislike of the system, is that I believe - with the types of players around in football just now - it's probably one of the systems that is easiest to find players that fit to it. The lack of full backs and wingers that play in the way I like, means it'd be very tough for me to find the players I'd want to play 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.
I think the key difference between us on the 4-2-3-1 system you are suggesting, is that I don't see any natural spot for Tevez. I doesn't fit my ideal for either centre forward or trequartista and you limit his effectiveness if you play him wide.
Now I'm not going to suggest Juve should play 4-2-3-1 with Tevez either at centre forward or trequartista if everything else fell into place for it, but you'd need the other positons to be filled by players who really suit playing with him.
Hamsik is the guy jumping to mind as probably my ideal trequartista in a 4-2-3-1. There are probably others I'd take ahead of him, but they aren't coming to mind just now. He's tremendously productive in attack, but his being a midfielder gives you a bit more tactical flexibility.
If it is so then it's a no brainier for me. I've mentioned Cuadrado's name a couple of times last summer but not many like the idea. IMO he's exactly what Conte needs - a very fast winger with great dribbling skills who tracks back a lot and isn't a defensive liability. He scores and gets assists quite regularly. He'd be perfect for RWB in 352, RWF in 433 and RM in 4231.
Get rid of Isla, probably include him in the deal with Udinese and throw some money at them. They'll love it and the guy is ours. I don't think we'll find anyone better at this point. This man would suit Conte's Juve like a glove.
Get rid of Isla, probably include him in the deal with Udinese and throw some money at them. They'll love it and the guy is ours. I don't think we'll find anyone better at this point. This man would suit Conte's Juve like a glove.
Cuadrado is something of a defensive liability.
However, he's good enough going forward you may be willing to accept that.
Still, I'd be signing him as a winger rather than a wing back.
Even if given the freedom to go forward as a wing back, you can't give him the freedom to drift around and find himself space in the way that would make him most effective.
However, he's good enough going forward you may be willing to accept that.
Still, I'd be signing him as a winger rather than a wing back.
Even if given the freedom to go forward as a wing back, you can't give him the freedom to drift around and find himself space in the way that would make him most effective.
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