Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (4 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

my argument is that we should stop settling for half solutions when we supposedly have money problems, how much more would lavezzi help us accomplish? as far as i am concerned this year is a wash, id be happy with a CL spot and save the money, if any, for next summer. Saying that getting lavezzi is better than nothing is wrong imo considering where we are and what we aspire to do.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

my argument is that we should stop settling for half solutions when we supposedly have money problems, how much more would lavezzi help us accomplish? as far as i am concerned this year is a wash, id be happy with a CL spot and save the money, if any, for next summer. Saying that getting lavezzi is better than nothing is wrong imo considering where we are and what we aspire to do.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

If saving the money now and spending it on a truely World Class player next year is an actual option then sign me up. But I don't get the impression it is an option. I think we're not even looking at any of these 40M+ talents whatsoever in our current situation. So Lavezzi or no Lavezzi that's probably not going to change.

We can only hope next Summer the new deals benefit us in the market but I still don't see us competing with Clubs on the market who have owners with 10x more money than common sense.

 

[Hist]

Lavezzi is too old for us. In the next two summers we should be replacing Buffon, Pirlo, Tevez, Barzagli, Padoin, Evra, Pepe, vidal and/or Pogba, Licht. We'll be left with Marchisio, Chiellini, Llorente as our seniors while Asa, Caceres, giovinco Ogbonna, Bonnuci and Pereyra will be peaking and Koman will be developing. In other words, all our top players will either retire (Pirlo and Buffon), leave (vidal and pogs), or become too old.
Marchisio, Chiellini, Llorente and Asamoah will be our only reliable starters and three of those will be old.

Lavezzi would be another player that would need replacing. I dont mind old players on the cheap but I'd never spend much on a player who will be too old in a matter of two years. Lavezzi is better than Iturbe and Lamela at the moment but they are the better investment for the future.

 

[bukowski81]

my argument is that we should stop settling for half solutions when we supposedly have money problems, how much more would lavezzi help us accomplish? as far as i am concerned this year is a wash, id be happy with a CL spot and save the money, if any, for next summer. Saying that getting lavezzi is better than nothing is wrong imo considering where we are and what we aspire to do.

Altough maybe you are right and is better to save money this year to have more the next, this Juve is still the best squad in Serie A.

2 years ago, with a worst squad, we reached the QF of the CL. Last year Allegri, with a way worse squad, passed the group stage of the CL.

The aspiration should be to atleast win Seria A and make the QF of the CL. Anything less is a failure.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If saving the money now and spending it on a truely World Class player next year is an actual option then sign me up. But I don't get the impression it is an option. I think we're not even looking at any of these 40M+ talents whatsoever in our current situation. So Lavezzi or no Lavezzi that's probably not going to change.

We can only hope next Summer the new deals benefit us in the market but I still don't see us competing with Clubs on the market who have owners with 10x more money than common sense.

if we dont seriously invest in the team next year we might as well give up on europe for the foreseeable future

Lavezzi is too old for us. In the next two summers we should be replacing Buffon, Pirlo, Tevez, Barzagli, Padoin, Evra, Pepe, vidal and/or Pogba, Licht. We'll be left with Marchisio, Chiellini, Llorente as our seniors while Asa, Caceres, giovinco Ogbonna, Bonnuci and Pereyra will be peaking and Koman will be developing. In other words, all our top players will either retire (Pirlo and Buffon), leave (vidal and pogs), or become too old.
Marchisio, Chiellini, Llorente and Asamoah will be our only reliable starters and three of those will be old.

Lavezzi would be another player that would need replacing. I dont mind old players on the cheap but I'd never spend much on a player who will be too old in a matter of two years. Lavezzi is better than Iturbe and Lamela at the moment but they are the better investment for the future.

how is lavezzi better than lamela??

Altough maybe you are right and is better to save money this year to have more the next, this Juve is still the best squad in Serie A.

2 years ago, with a worst squad, we reached the QF of the CL. Last year Allegri, with a way worse squad, passed the group stage of the CL.

The aspiration should be to atleast win Seria A and make the QF of the CL. Anything less is a failure.

for serie a, i dont share your optimism, so i will be happy with a CL spot. For europe, i ll have to wait for the draw

 

[bukowski81]

if we dont seriously invest in the team next year we might as well give up on europe for the foreseeable future



how is lavezzi better than lamela??



for serie a, i dont share your optimism, so i will be happy with a CL spot. For europe, i ll have to wait for the draw

Do you see Roma winning it? They have a better team this year but i think they overachieved last year, for some reason i dont see them doing better this year.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Do you see Roma winning it? They have a better team this year but i think they overachieved last year, for some reason i dont see them doing better this year.

i dont see us as hungry as other teams and if we do lose vidal thats a big setback, also im worried about how we will start the season

 

[DanTheMan5]

In the next few years our revenue will grow, currently we are still footing the bill on a fully owned stadium and state-of-the-art training facility. Not to mention our CL $ from 2 years back was a lot more than last season (and the highest I believe in Europe) due to a) how far we advanced and b) how the serie A split worked out. Point being, if we spent on Lavezzi (who has 2-3 good years in him) it is not as if we cannot spend next year. We have young up and coming players involved in co-ownerships/loans and players like Coman/Morata who have time to develop with the first team. Lavezzi signing would in no way cripple us for next year and there is no need to panic. He is a player that adds a dimension to our already strong team. Our starting 11 is already strong and the depth signings are a dreaded necessity. I agree we could use a better defender over Bonucci/Ogbonna/Caceres and could sell one and replace them at a relatively low net cost. I guess I'm less doom/gloom over the mercato than a lot of you, but we have a strong squad with good young players getting playing time elsewhere.

 

[beowulf]

In the next few years our revenue will grow, currently we are still footing the bill on a fully owned stadium and state-of-the-art training facility. Not to mention our CL $ from 2 years back was a lot more than last season (and the highest I believe in Europe) due to a) how far we advanced and b) how the serie A split worked out. Point being, if we spent on Lavezzi (who has 2-3 good years in him) it is not as if we cannot spend next year. We have young up and coming players involved in co-ownerships/loans and players like Coman/Morata who have time to develop with the first team. Lavezzi signing would in no way cripple us for next year and there is no need to panic. He is a player that adds a dimension to our already strong team. Our starting 11 is already strong and the depth signings are a dreaded necessity. I agree we could use a better defender over Bonucci/Ogbonna/Caceres and could sell one and replace them at a relatively low net cost. I guess I'm less doom/gloom over the mercato than a lot of you, but we have a strong squad with good young players getting playing time elsewhere.

Agree. People are just panicking to panic. Our bench is much improved. Our starting 11 was already good. We can now rest them some and have them fresh in the CL.

Disclaimer: If Vidal goes...my opinion changes 1000000%

 

[DanTheMan5]

In the next few years our revenue will grow, currently we are still footing the bill on a fully owned stadium and state-of-the-art training facility. Not to mention our CL $ from 2 years back was a lot more than last season (and the highest I believe in Europe) due to a) how far we advanced and b) how the serie A split worked out. Point being, if we spent on Lavezzi (who has 2-3 good years in him) it is not as if we cannot spend next year. We have young up and coming players involved in co-ownerships/loans and players like Coman/Morata who have time to develop with the first team. Lavezzi signing would in no way cripple us for next year and there is no need to panic. He is a player that adds a dimension to our already strong team. Our starting 11 is already strong and the depth signings are a dreaded necessity. I agree we could use a better defender over Bonucci/Ogbonna/Caceres and could sell one and replace them at a relatively low net cost. I guess I'm less doom/gloom over the mercato than a lot of you, but we have a strong squad with good young players getting playing time elsewhere.

Agree. People are just panicking to panic. Our bench is much improved. Our starting 11 was already good. We can now rest them some and have them fresh in the CL.

Disclaimer: If Vidal goes...my opinion changes 1000000%

Agreed about Vidal, all that I said goes along with keeping him (though it still wouldn't be the end of the world, he is our heartbeat)

 

[Hist]

how is lavezzi better than lamela??

Better as a player not as a purchase. Lamela and Iturbe have one good season under their belt and they are very promising (especially Lamela) but Lavezzi's football is higher than the two. I am a fan of his football but he is too old for us. Would only take him in a Tevez like deal.

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In the next few years our revenue will grow, currently we are still footing the bill on a fully owned stadium and state-of-the-art training facility. Not to mention our CL $ from 2 years back was a lot more than last season (and the highest I believe in Europe) due to a) how far we advanced and b) how the serie A split worked out. Point being, if we spent on Lavezzi (who has 2-3 good years in him) it is not as if we cannot spend next year. We have young up and coming players involved in co-ownerships/loans and players like Coman/Morata who have time to develop with the first team. Lavezzi signing would in no way cripple us for next year and there is no need to panic. He is a player that adds a dimension to our already strong team. Our starting 11 is already strong and the depth signings are a dreaded necessity. I agree we could use a better defender over Bonucci/Ogbonna/Caceres and could sell one and replace them at a relatively low net cost. I guess I'm less doom/gloom over the mercato than a lot of you, but we have a strong squad with good young players getting playing time elsewhere.

In principle, any penny spent now is a penny less for next year.

The question is whether we get him at Tevez prices. If thats the case it wont have much of an impact on next year but anything above 15 mill can prove costly next year.

Would Lavezzi improve the team in the short term? Certainly
Would that improvement take us to the next level as in make us better than some of the clubs that are already better than us? a big maybe.
Would Lavezzi improve the team in the long term? Certainly not. He'll need replacing along with a hoard of other players over the next 2 seasons.

I'd save the 20 mill or so (if not more) that he would cost us for next season to invest in a much younger (20-26 year old) equally proven player.

 

[Nomuken]

Plz no one is too old now for post scandal Marotta Juventus.

 

[Salvo]

I am with X. As much as I'd like a shiny new toy we have a squad currently that can win serie A and push for CL quarters.

 

[PowerNedved]

Subotic contracts expire on 2016, and BvB signed young cb Ginter, that could be a great option and dont think will cost more than 20m

 

[da_ledgeaun]

I have always been a fan of Lavezzi, him coming here would really depend on the price and how Allegri is shaping up his formation, all i know is that we cant afford to lose Vidal at this time (at any time actually but for this to even happen, im hoping it never will, we can only afford losing him at the start of July), as knowing how Marotta work to sign good players, we wont have the time to replace Vidal or buy anyone else with the money he brings in.

back to Lavezzi, if we are gonna play 4-3-2-1 then yes, but if we are sticking to 3-5-2 then he will be a waste, and 15 M can be used for a much more needed winger/AM. I really hope Allegri knows what he is doing and Marotta doesnt go on a stupid panic frenzy mood and wasting good transfer/contract budgets!

first, I wish for us to tie Pogba until 2024!!

 

[napoleonic]

Lmao how can anyone justify 3m wage for a has been 33 years old not a 1st grade defender just because we have bonucci or ogbonna

 

[Robee]

Lavezzi is 29 years old. A player does not suddenly die at 31. Get real...

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back to Lavezzi, if we are gonna play 4-3-2-1 then yes, but if we are sticking to 3-5-2 then he will be a waste, and 15 M can be used for a much more needed winger/AM.

Why exactly would a winger be needed if we're sticking to 3-5-2. One injury is all it takes to break us (Tevez). Lavezzi can prevent that.

 

[Catenaccio]

Nobody wants Vidal to leave. But I suspect its not really in our hands - its all up to Vidal himself. If he decides to leave. I would rather just receive straight cash from ManU as none of their existing players are of much interest. If we did receive circa EU55m in a cash fee for Vidal I have ideas on how we could invest the money. Imagine this scenario (its not fantasy but possible):

Vidal gets sold for EU55m
We go out and buy Jovetic (25m) AND Lavezzi (18m)
Do a Giovinco-Guarin Swap with Inter - Giovinco plus 5m?
Give Padoin away.

Imagine this first team (4-3-3):

-----------------Buffon------------------

Lichsteiner----Barzagli----Chiellini-----Evra

-----Marchisio----Pirlo------Pogba--------

----Lavezzi------Tevez------Jovetic------

Subs Bench: Storari?, Caceres, Asamoah, Guarin, Coman, Llorente, Morata
Reserves: Rubinho, Bonucci?, Ogbonna?, Romulo, Pereyra, Pepe

Alternative 4231 (assuming no Pirlo - can't ask him to play every match):

------------------Buffon-----------------

Lichsteiner----Barzagli----Chiellini----Evra

----------Marchisio-----Pogba-----------

-----Lavezzi-----Guarin-----Jovetic------

-----------------Tevez-----------------

IF Vidal leaves and we ended up with Jovetic and Lavezzi - then the pain will fade.

 

[jakku7]

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