Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (13 Viewers)

[j0ker]

bayern plays 4123 recently, beeing buzy with 4141. And it absolutely sucks compared to the 4231 juggernaut from last year
Chelsea plays 4231
Real madrid plays 4141 in an odd way.

Barcelona playd a 433 last season, got beaten to shit, and play some kind off asymmetric 442 this year


Since barcelona left the 433 path, nobody plays a true 433 anymore at the big stage. They all use modifications using the wing base, but try to find ways to hide the weaknesses of 433.

Thing is, every single team you'll find that does this, mostly has their best players on the wide area's. Wich is essential. A winger formation only works properly, if your wingers are amongst the 4 best players of the team.

At juventus, is completely impossible to achieve this. We have excellent quality in the central axis. If we'd sacrifice that for wingers, it would be inferior, as the wingers we can realistically get, are much less good then our central players, who now play inferior roles to support them.



So its eighter pogba and 352 for the time beeing, or no pogba and wingers.

 

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[zizinho]

they have to meet with the financial fair play rule,the likes of ba, eto and torres will raise about 20 mill at most, lukaku probably another 15, whilst I think David Luiz will be the one that will be sacrificed and not the likes of hazard and oscar. I wouldn't be surprised to see Luiz end up at bayern unless barca can overturn the transfer ban

if Heynkess stayed the coach they would be after a "real" defender, with Shitidiola they get this ballpalying idiot he will ruin that monster team from last season with his tiki taki toki tactics

 

[Zacheryah]

Its a smart decision by ancelotti, and it highlights the gigantic failure of the madrid management.

He's basically trying to get around the pathetic lack of holding midfielders, by trying to shove an overdose of offensive talent in the team.

Last season's bayern would destroy it. And against big teams in spain got nice results aswel against real

 

[j0ker]

Its a smart decision by ancelotti, and it highlights the gigantic failure of the madrid management.

He's basically trying to get around the pathetic lack of holding midfielders, by trying to shove an overdose of offensive talent in the team.

Last season's bayern would destroy it. And against big teams in spain got nice results aswel against real

That was not my point.

I have no idea how many times you have seen them play, but they play a 433, with Di Maria as a CM.

Barca and PSG play 4-3-3 too.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

if Heynkess stayed the coach they would be after a "real" defender, with Shitidiola they get this ballpalying idiot he will ruin that monster team from last season with his tiki taki toki tactics

yeah i agree, you know what pep wants in a 'defender' someone that can bring the ball out of the defence, luiz fits that bill whilst he is able to play in midfield too. Mourinho isn't too keen on luiz and not forgetting they already have zouma lined up for next season. I just find it incredibly hard to believe chelsea will sell one of hazard or oscar to raise significant funds, unless of course they really are looking to revolutionise the team and not just adding 2 or 3 decent/great players

 

[Preet]

4-3-3 is outdated but the 3-5-2 is not

I bet attackers in the 3-5-2 tend to make defenders more tired than in a 4-3-3.

 

[Fint]

But but but, Berardi and ..... Giovinco and Tevez on the wing

433 433 433

 

[Badass J Elkann]

But but but, Berardi and ..... Giovinco and Tevez on the wing

433 433 433

433 was so last month, to win the CL you now have to play 4231

 

[Zacheryah]

That was not my point.

I have no idea how many times you have seen them play, but they play a 433, with Di Maria as a CM.

Barca and PSG play 4-3-3 too.

nah, barcelona actually play a 442 this year, with neymar acting as a wider forward, and the opposite guy comming from down the midfield.
Madrid do all kind of wierd stuff, but both ronaldo and bale are more wingmidfielders then forwards, they kinda got a block of 4 that is freeroling over the place. I dont like this tactics, but ancelotti is trying to solve the mess that is real's midfield

PSG uses 2 clear holding midfielders, with verratti/pastore in front. Its kind of the typ of 433 that is still viable. But considering the workrate of lavezzi/cavani/lucas, the line between 4213 and 4231 is very very thin. PSG is showing how 433 evolved to 4231 in modern football in a way

 

[Bianconero81]

Recap of the last 7-8 pages for those who care:

1.) Tactics and formations discussion. We will stick to the 3-5-2. 4-3-3 is so passe, and 4-2-3-1 is the dream.

2.) Conte has a magic wand

3.) More Rakib shitlists and a couple of random youtube vids

4.) We don't have more than 15 million to spend on a single player (because we all know the budget, and isn't like we have spent more than 15 million on a single player over the past few seasons)

5.) Focus on Serie A market which lacks talent (and the talent it possesses we can't afford or aren't on good terms with clubs that own that talent) and fuck scouting in other regions. Who cares when you can just buy local?

6.) The best we can hope for is Nani. Cerci for 20 million is a bogus story, and Conte doesn't like Ciro (it is now trending on Twitter)

7.) Summer mercato is going to be depressing if rumors are to be believed

 

[Zacheryah]

Recap of the last 7-8 pages for those who care:

1.) Tactics and formations discussion. We will stick to the 3-5-2. 4-3-3 is so passe, and 4-2-3-1 is the dream.

2.) Conte has a magic wand

3.) More Rakib shitlists and a couple of random youtube vids

4.) We don't have more than 15 million to spend on a single player (because we all know the budget, and isn't like we have spent more than 15 million on a single player over the past few seasons)

5.) Focus on Serie A market which lacks talent (and the talent it possesses we can't afford or aren't on good terms with clubs that own that talent) and fuck scouting in other regions. Who cares when you can just buy local?

6.) The best we can hope for is Nani. Cerci for 20 million is a bogus story, and Conte doesn't like Ciro (it is now trending on Twitter)

7.) Summer mercato is going to be depressing if rumors are to be believed

That 15 mil, is taking in accound we lost CL revenue, so the max fee on a single player should be lower compared to last season

 

[j0ker]

nah, barcelona actually play a 442 this year, with neymar acting as a wider forward, and the opposite guy comming from down the midfield.
Madrid do all kind of wierd stuff, but both ronaldo and bale are more wingmidfielders then forwards, they kinda got a block of 4 that is freeroling over the place. I dont like this tactics, but ancelotti is trying to solve the mess that is real's midfield

PSG uses 2 clear holding midfielders, with verratti/pastore in front. Its kind of the typ of 433 that is still viable. But considering the workrate of lavezzi/cavani/lucas, the line between 4213 and 4231 is very very thin. PSG is showing how 433 evolved to 4231 in modern football in a way

Nope.

There's no way Di Maria and Modric play in the same line as Bale and Ronaldo, the latter two are as advanced as you can get. It's a clear 4-3-3.

Barca? They have always played like this, and it was always known as a 4-3-3, with Iniesta either as a LCM or LWF when Neymar plays on the right instead of Sanchez. 4-3-3 again.

Pastore? C'mon dude, he has been a bench player all season. Verratti - Motta - Matuidi. Verratti isn't even playing in the center anymore, he is playing as RCM, like Vidal for us.

And no I'm not asking for 4-3-3, I'd would rather have 4-2-3-1 if we had the right players.

 

[Zacheryah]

Nope.

There's no way Di Maria and Modric play in the same line as Bale and Ronaldo, the latter two are as advanced as you can get. It's a clear 4-3-3.

Barca? They have always played like this, and it was always known as a 4-3-3, with Iniesta either as a LCM or LWF when Neymar plays on the right instead of Sanchez. 4-3-3 again.

Pastore? C'mon dude, he has been a bench player all season. Verratti - Motta - Matuidi. Verratti isn't even playing in the center anymore, he is playing as RCM, like Vidal for us.

And no I'm not asking for 4-3-3, I'd would rather have 4-2-3-1 if we had the right players.

my opinion remains on the tactics, but i agree on the 4231 part

Sadly, we dont have a spare 150 mil :tongue:

 

[Joe]

Soooo according to the rumours and the player's we're allegedly after, we'll look something like this next season:

Buffon
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Asamoah
Caceres Bonucci Ogbonna Lulic
Vidal Pirlo Pogba
Padoin Marchisio Pereyra
Cerci Tevez Nani
Giovinco Llorente Gabbiadini​

Upgrade, or downgrade?

 

[Bianconero81]

Soooo according to the rumours and the player's we're allegedly after, we'll look something like this next season:

Buffon
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Asamoah
Caceres Bonucci Ogbonna Lulic
Vidal Pirlo Pogba
Padoin Marchisio Pereyra
Cerci Tevez Nani
Giovinco Llorente Gabbiadini​

Upgrade, or downgrade?

It can't be a downgrade if you retain your best players and add Nani Joe

We won't be playing 4-3-3. Nani isn't consistent enough, and Cerci isn't good enough to justify a change in formation.

I am all for an injection of pace and more creativity, particularly for Europe.

I actually enjoy the way Roma play; it is quire refreshing.

 

[j0ker]

Soooo according to the rumours and the player's we're allegedly after, we'll look something like this next season:

Buffon
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Asamoah
Caceres Bonucci Ogbonna Lulic
Vidal Pirlo Pogba
Padoin Marchisio Pereyra
Cerci Tevez Nani
Giovinco Llorente Gabbiadini​

Upgrade, or downgrade?

I don't think we'll drop Llorente.

And the way Pirlo is playing and how easily he is being marked out of the games (apart from the free kicks) I'd rather make it a 4-2-3-1 / 4-4-2.

Not sure how Vidal and Pogba would play in a two men midfield though, it would limit their attacking power.

 

[Joe]

4-4-2. I miss that formation.

 

[Bianconero81]

I don't

 

[Red]

4-4-2. I miss that formation.

I would argue that an awful lot of teams that are currently described as 4-2-3-1 are playing a system that would have been called 4-4-2 ten years ago.

If you have a forward rather than a midfielder as the trequartista in a 4-2-3-1, there really is very little difference in the systems.

 

[Joe]

I would argue that an awful lot of teams that are currently described as 4-2-3-1 are playing a system that would have been called 4-4-2 ten years ago.

If you have a forward rather than a midfielder as the trequartista in a 4-2-3-1, there really is very little difference in the systems.