Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (20 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

let me give you an example.

Dortmund in the 10/11 season like lucas barrios as their main striker which scored 16 goals and 6 assist. As a backup their had 22 year old Lewadolski which scored 8 goals that season. the following season lewadolski aged 23 had adjusted properly, he scored 20 goals. Dortmund clearly saw that he had potential to become a good striker and considering that lewadolski scored 14 goals in the polish league (which is weaker than serie B).


Juve could have followed the same pattern. immobile clearly showed some potential scoring 28 goals at the same age as lewadolski scored 14 in the polish league. However we decided to play him in a disorganised and very uncreative team like Genoa so immobile had very little chances and turned out to only score 5 goals. Now that he is at torino which is a a very organised and creative team thanks to cerci, he is scoring tonnes of goals.

The environment where the player is determines his performance, if the players around him play well he will play well. That's why I say that players iturbe are ready to join our team because they are able to step up their game from the promising performances at their current clubs.

What did Dortmund win during those years? Nothing. They were in the progress of development which lasted for quite a while. When majority of key players peaked they won the league and did very good in Europe.

 

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[rakib567]

Udinese buy like 200 hundred youngsters per year, they can afford to give their most obvious talents the chance to develop, plus they own Granada and Watford.

The best we can do with talents, is to co-own them with the likes of Sassuolo and really hope they don't hire a crazy coach who sends them to the bench.

And even in the cases when we try to bring them back if they have a decent season we have to pay an arm and a leg for their halves.

udinese havbe many 17-22 year old but we don't need that many. just 2-3 22-23 year olds (which have shown real potential) that would fill in the gaps of our team (leftback,2 wingers) would be better than let's say buying somelike like nani for 13m+.

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What did Dortmund win during those years? Nothing. They were in the progress of development which lasted for quite a while. When majority of key players peaked they won the league and did very good in Europe.

they lewadolski had his first good season they won the league. he was 23 then. when they had their old players they were 5th in the league.

 

[j0ker]

udinese havbe many 17-22 year old but we don't need that many. just 2-3 22-23 year olds (which have shown real potential) that would fill in the gaps of our team (leftback,2 wingers) would be better than let's say buying somelike like nani for 13m+.

22-23yo are hardly considered talents.

We were talking about scouting talents nobody knows about and developing them to be top players.

 

[Vlad]

Udinese buy like 200 hundred youngsters per year, they can afford to give their most obvious talents the chance to develop, plus they own Granada and Watford.

The best we can do with talents, is to co-own them with the likes of Sassuolo and really hope they don't hire a crazy coach who sends them to the bench.

And even in the cases when we try to bring them back if they have a decent season we have to pay an arm and a leg for their halves.

We need to be successful every year, fight for the most important trophies. There's no waiting for a group of players to develop so that we can reap the benefits afterwards. It's really ridiculous suggestion whoever came up with that.

 

[rakib567]

22-23yo are hardly considered talents.

We were talking about scouting talents nobody knows about and developing them to be top players.

I am talking about 21+ year olds. 18-20 years old should be the development years for a top talent, 21 years old I think they are ready to join and challenge for starting spot. if they are top top talents then they can start at 19 just like pogba.

 

[j0ker]

We need to be successful every year, fight for the most important trophies. There's no waiting for a group of players to develop so that we can reap the benefits afterwards. It's really ridiculous suggestion whoever came up with that.

The only top-club who produces talents is Barcelona, who has the best academy in the world and even they send their players to their B team to develop and gain experience. We can't do it.

Ideally we should follow Bayern model and buy already established talents from the other teams in the league, even if that might be close to impossible in Italy.

Imagine us going after Florenzi or El Sharaway (before he became Pato v2). Roma and Milan would ask for the moon and Saturn's ring for them.

 

[LiquidPLP]

The only top-club who produces talents is Barcelona, who has the best academy in the world and even they send their players to their B team to develop and gain experience. We can't do it.

Ideally we should follow Bayern model and buy already established talents from the other teams in the league, even if that might be close to impossible in Italy.

Imagine us going after Florenzi or El Sharaway (before he became Pato v2). Roma and Milan would ask for the moon and Saturn's ring for them.

Thing is BuLi teams don't sell to Bayern for cheap. They have the money. We're on our way too.

 

[j0ker]

I am talking about 21+ year olds. 18-20 years old should be the development years for a top talent, 21 years old I think they are ready to join and challenge for starting spot. if they are top top talents then they can start at 19 just like pogba.

Pogba's case is one in 10 years.

The 21-22 years old don't become suddenly talents by them selves, someone has to develop them and that's what Udinese does. Develop and sell them when they are 21-22yo.

Seriously rakib, WTF?!

And why the fuck am I even trying to explain it you.

 

[Vlad]

Pogba's case is one in 10 years.

The 21-22 years old don't become suddenly talents by them selves, someone has to develop them and that's what Udinese does. Develop and sell them when they are 21-22yo.

Seriously rakib, WTF?!

And why the fuck am I even trying to explain it you.

That's a capital question here. Just the other day you asked Zach something similar.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I am talking about 21+ year olds. 18-20 years old should be the development years for a top talent, 21 years old I think they are ready to join and challenge for starting spot. if they are top top talents then they can start at 19 just like pogba.

seriously there is retarded, and then there is rakib

 

[rakib567]

Pogba's case is one in 10 years.

The 21-22 years old don't become suddenly talents by them selves, someone has to develop them and that's what Udinese does. Develop and sell them when they are 21-22yo.

Seriously rakib, WTF?!

And why the $#@! am I even trying to explain it you.

I am saying that when they 21-22 we should buy them instead of waiting 3-4 years more and buy them when they are 25-26.

 

[Fr3sh]

And why the fuck am I even trying to explain it you.

Its in ones nature to educate the youth.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I am saying that when they reast 21-22 we should buy them instead of waiting 3-4 years more and buy them when they are 25-26.

wow. lets just become the next arsenal and win nothing for the next 9 years or so

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I am saying that when they 21-22 we should buy them instead of waiting 3-4 years more and buy them when they are 25-26.

 

[Fr3sh]

 

[j0ker]

I'm starting to think that rakib is cronios, only he could be this stubborn. He probably grew tired of trolling us with his long essays so he came up with this new identity.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I'm starting to think that rakib is cronios, only he could be this stubborn. He probably grew tired of trolling us with his long essays so he came up with this new identity.

Only if he lost half his brain in the process.

 

[ALC]

so appropriate

 

[Badass J Elkann]

 

[Joe]

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