Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (23 Viewers)

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Gep

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Jun 12, 2005
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Udinese obviously have talent in finding these up and coming youngsters. It's often every season they get cherry picked by other clubs, shame for them. Like I said before sign their scouting team. Every single one of them.
 

JuveJay

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Udinese obviously have talent in finding these up and coming youngsters. It's often every season they get cherry picked by other clubs, shame for them. Like I said before sign their scouting team. Every single one of them.
It's not just a question of finding them, their club model dictates that they will play youngsters.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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We should follow that path instead of waiting for udinese to develop the player we want and picking him up for double the price they paid for him.
No, we should not.

We should get one super talent like Pogba and develop him, but that ain't their philosophy at all. They have too many of those kids. Such transfer policy would never secure us Scudetto's and success in Europe. It's what lesser clubs do to make insane profits -- but doing such does not imply success per se.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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We should follow that path instead of waiting for udinese to develop the player we want and picking him up for double the price they paid for him.

But we'd have to play a lot of talented, but inexperienced and unrefined youngsters, and that would certainly not show well on our results. We are however doing something to bypass this problem, by co-owning, or buying up youngsters for cheap and sending them to other clubs to let them develop them.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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let's say we stuck to immobile instead of matri or quags for these 2 years we would have had a 24 year old striker which is well established and I think he would score 15+ goals for us compared to matri's 10. this is the type of mentality we should have instead of buying 28 year old players which can give us a maximum of 3 years and then leave for free or cheap. However if let's say we need a player like tevez which will improve us then I would make the deal. but for a player of average/good quality I would go for a younger unproven player instead of a highly priced experienced individual. Instead of buying peluso last year we could have gone for someone like Gabriel silva or dodo and we would have had a player that is twice as better for the same price.
 
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let's say we stuck to immobile instead of matri or quags for these 2 years we would have had a 24 year old striker which is well established and I think he would score 15+ goals for us compared to matri's 10. this is the type of mentality we should have instead of buying 28 year old players which can give us a maximum of 3 years and then leave for free or cheap. However if let's say we need a player like tevez which will improve us then I would make the deal. but for a player of average/good quality I would go for a younger unproven player instead of a highly priced experienced individual. Instead of buying peluso last year we could have gone for someone like Gabriel silva or dodo and we would have had a player that is twice as better for the same price.
Maybe you should support another team
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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But we'd have to play a lot of talented, but inexperienced and unrefined youngsters, and that would certainly not show well on our results. We are however doing something to bypass this problem, by co-owning, or buying up youngsters for cheap and sending them to other clubs to let them develop them.
And that's really all that needs to be said regarding this.
 

Dostoevsky

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let's say we stuck to immobile instead of matri or quags for these 2 years we would have had a 24 year old striker which is well established and I think he would score 15+ goals for us compared to matri's 10. this is the type of mentality we should have instead of buying 28 year old players which can give us a maximum of 3 years and then leave for free or cheap. However if let's say we need a player like tevez which will improve us then I would make the deal. but for a player of average/good quality I would go for a younger unproven player instead of a highly priced experienced individual. Instead of buying peluso last year we could have gone for someone like Gabriel silva or dodo and we would have had a player that is twice as better for the same price.
Matri was in his 'best' years and already a developed player. What you're saying is basically having a 22yo player as our 3rd of 4th option out there. Not only that he wouldn't score 15 goals, but there's no way he'd be developed the same way he's right now at Torino. What he needed and still needs is a lot of playing time in order to become better -- which is not something Juventus can offer him at this point. Not having here makes sense and it was a right thing to do.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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Matri was in his 'best' years and already a developed player. What you're saying is basically having a 22yo player as our 3rd of 4th option out there. Not only that he wouldn't score 15 goals, but there's no way he'd be developed the same way he's right now at Torino. What he needed and still needs is a lot of playing time in order to become better -- which is not something Juventus can offer him at this point. Not having here makes sense and it was a right thing to do.
let me give you an example.

Dortmund in the 10/11 season like lucas barrios as their main striker which scored 16 goals and 6 assist. As a backup their had 22 year old Lewadolski which scored 8 goals that season. the following season lewadolski aged 23 had adjusted properly, he scored 20 goals. Dortmund clearly saw that he had potential to become a good striker and considering that lewadolski scored 14 goals in the polish league (which is weaker than serie B).


Juve could have followed the same pattern. immobile clearly showed some potential scoring 28 goals at the same age as lewadolski scored 14 in the polish league. However we decided to play him in a disorganised and very uncreative team like Genoa so immobile had very little chances and turned out to only score 5 goals. Now that he is at torino which is a a very organised and creative team thanks to cerci, he is scoring tonnes of goals.

The environment where the player is determines his performance, if the players around him play well he will play well. That's why I say that players iturbe are ready to join our team because they are able to step up their game from the promising performances at their current clubs.
 

j0ker

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Jan 5, 2006
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Udinese buy like 200 hundred youngsters per year, they can afford to give their most obvious talents the chance to develop, plus they own Granada and Watford.

The best we can do with talents, is to co-own them with the likes of Sassuolo and really hope they don't hire a crazy coach who sends them to the bench.

And even in the cases when we try to bring them back if they have a decent season we have to pay an arm and a leg for their halves.
 
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