Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (69 Viewers)

[Xperd]

Getting Griezmann is not realistic even with sales of the deadwood for another reason and that is Juventus' lack of liquid cash.Surely they're not gonna accept our billion installments deal even if we managed to somehow arrange the money needed for this transaction.

Recently Madrid brought Illaramendi from Sociedad for 38m(30m + VAT) and that was in two installments.We cant possibly do that without selling our prized assets.

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"The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant."

why would an italian team pay taxes to spain?

Idk,it may be viewed as an assumption.Bayern for example paid taxes when they brought Martinez along with the release clause fee.So i would assume it would apply to all other countries too.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

according to wiki, input VAT which is the case here "is recovered by setting it against the output VAT for which the business is required to account to the government", maybe it's kinda like sales tax that is recovered by tourists before they leave a foreign country.

 

[Vlad]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../29/atletico.buyouts/index.html#ixzz2pkX8tk4H

A read on how buyout clauses in Spain work.

Plenty of question marks there. I understand that taxes are calculated into invoice. Basically everything you buy has price which consists of purchase value+taxes, but enterprises have right to get those taxes back for the goods they payed, while the ones receiving the funds have obligation to make those kind of payments. Whenever there's a transfer of funds from one side to another, the side receiving the sum, as I've said, needs to make necessary payments. Something you can't go around. So in this case they would put taxes on top of that price, still can't see how they can manipulate it like that, and we'd pay 18% more, but then again those 18% we'd reclaim from Spanish government.

 

[The Quazis]

All those speculations make little sense now becasue all can change in the summer. Especially in the World Cup year. Who would have thought that we will bring Tevez for so low price as soon as in the middle of the previous season?

I also don't understand people who think we have almost zero chash to spend. If I remember correctly, every summer we are willing to spend big on one player (20-30). I agree that we usually don't spend those amounts but I think it's only because some other club is willing to over-pay or we find cheaper alternative.

 

[Red]

"The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant."

why would an italian team pay taxes to spain?

I believe the player, technically, is the one who triggers the buy-out clause and gets himself out of the contract with his current club.

Obviously the new club is funding the whole thing, though.

So while the foreign club is funding the deal, they aren't actually involved in the deal according to Spanish law.

Or maybe I just made that up.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I believe the player, technically, is the one who triggers the buy-out clause and gets himself out of the contract with his current club.

Obviously the new club is funding the whole thing, though.

So while the foreign club is funding the deal, they aren't actually involved in the deal according to Spanish law.

Or maybe I just made that up.

thats one way to do it, but in that case according to article the amount will then have to account for the 44% tax so it would be a lot more than the release clause

 

[Dostoevsky]

I hear Rugani and Murru are doing quite well. Any reviews about those kids? I heard a bit about Murro and I have no clue anything about Rugani.

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Cristiano Giaretta: “Niente Juve per Cuadrado”

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Marotta on Sky confirmed he talked with... Real.

 

[jukazem]

Getting Griezmann is not realistic even with sales of the deadwood for another reason and that is Juventus' lack of liquid cash. Surely they're not gonna accept our billion installments deal even if we managed to somehow arrange the money needed for this transaction.

Recently Madrid brought Illaramendi from Sociedad for 38m(30m + VAT) and that was in two installments.We cant possibly do that without selling our prized assets.

this is not entirely true. you have to remember that Juve usually pay in installments and the biggest investment was in the beginning of 11/12 season. Players were bought and the clubs were being paid in 3 installments. last summer was the last installment of a lot of players: Matri, Licht, Vucinic, Quagliarella, Vidal, Pepe, Giaccherini et al. all these installments don't have to be paid next summer means there will be cash available, add some sales of un-needed players and sell some co-owns and we don't have to sell anyone important. Juve are financially capable imo.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Marotta "even if I talked about Vidal or Pogba (with Real) I wouldn't tell"

Maybe it was Coentrao/Morata talks, or it was really Vidal/Pogba.

 

[Vlad]

Getting Griezmann is not realistic even with sales of the deadwood for another reason and that is Juventus' lack of liquid cash.Surely they're not gonna accept our billion installments deal even if we managed to somehow arrange the money needed for this transaction.

Recently Madrid brought Illaramendi from Sociedad for 38m(30m + VAT) and that was in two installments.We cant possibly do that without selling our prized assets.

If installments are out of the question we'll take a loan, so almost the same thing basically.

 

[jukazem]

If installments are out of the question we'll take a loan, so almost the same thing basically.

installments are a kind of loan too, just not from the bank but from the selling football club.

 

[Dostoevsky]

We're in pole position for Baselli.

 

[Nostradamus]

Idk,it may be viewed as an assumption.Bayern for example paid taxes when they brought Martinez along with the release clause fee.So i would assume it would apply to all other countries too.

Bayern paid the 40m€ release clause and nothing more.

 

[JCK]

We're in pole position for Baselli.

No. Fucking. Way.

 

[Dostoevsky]

William Carvalho links.

 

[Joe]

I hear Rugani and Murru are doing quite well. Any reviews about those kids? I heard a bit about Murro and I have no clue anything about Rugani.

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Cristiano Giaretta: “Niente Juve per Cuadrado”

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Marotta on Sky confirmed he talked with... Real.

We own half of Rugani, he came up through our academy and Empoli currently own the other half of him. He's probably our best young centerback that we own.

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Marotta "even if I talked about Vidal or Pogba (with Real) I wouldn't tell"

Maybe it was Coentrao/Morata talks, or it was really Vidal/Pogba.

I'm hoping its Coentrao or Di Maria talks. :xfinger:

 

[Benito78]

Carlo seems to love Di Maria, he has found him a new role as a midfielder.. Not sure he wants to sell him.

 

[Mark]

I hear Rugani and Murru are doing quite well. Any reviews about those kids? I heard a bit about Murro and I have no clue anything about Rugani.

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Cristiano Giaretta: “Niente Juve per Cuadrado”

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Marotta on Sky confirmed he talked with... Real.

Rugani is doing very well at Empoli. Getting rave reviews.

Murru is ok. Could be a nice backup for free.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Carlo seems to love Di Maria, he has found him a new role as a midfielder.. Not sure he wants to sell him.

Yeah, there's no way we have a chance to sign him IMO.

If we talked with Real I think we discussed about Morata/Coentrao.

They possibly asked about Vidal but I'm pretty sure that guy is gonna stay here for now.

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They say Real/Bayern want Gundogan, 30mln is the price mentioned.

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We own half of Rugani, he came up through our academy and Empoli currently own the other half of him. He's probably our best young centerback that we own.

Rugani is doing very well at Empoli. Getting rave reviews.

Murru is ok. Could be a nice backup for free.

 

[donpiero]

What happened to Beltrame at Bari? He was getting good playing time (I watched some of his games at the start of the season and he was quiet a threat for them) but then he just disappeared from their line up!