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Osman

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Age difference between Nani and Lavezzi is just 1 year btw. And he doesnt rely on speed more then Nani. He's just more hard working runner then the latter.
 

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Age difference between Nani and Lavezzi is just 1 year btw. And he doesnt rely on speed more then Nani. He's just more hard working runner then the latter.
Nani is the better winger tough, i've always thought that Lavezzi best position would be as an SS.
 
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Nani, Berardi and Cerci it is.
I'm aganist bringing Berardi back. Why would we bring him back if we don't clearly know whether Conte really wants the change of formations? In my opinion, even though I would much rather see a game play involving wingers, I don't see how Conte could possibly drop any of our current players besides Bonucci. Also Asa has excelled in the lwb position this season and while I don't know how he'd as a lb, I think he would be replaced with a true lb, if we did indeed get one. Another thing is Conte is a fan of a 2 man attack and Tevez and Llorente have been in very good form so I don't see how you would drop either one.

If we did transition to a 4-3-3, you'd have to answer these questions:

-Would conte drop Asa or play him at lb?
-Would conte drop tevez or play him as a winger?
-What player could we purchase in the summer mercato that could possibly upgrade our current 11? (That would fit our budget)
-Would Conte really drop Bonucci even after he hasn't dropped him after all of the fuck ups?
-Why would we change a winning formation?
 

JuveJay

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It really isnt.I have seen plenty of these players who work well in a particular system but are not dynamic enough to take their game to the next level.Giovinco had everything going around for him at Parma as well but he ended up being a total misfit in our system.
No really it is, if we are taking what was said as a general argument. Dusan only spoke of talent, and the smaller club being an argument against.

Cuadrado would play here as a RWB. Where do you suppose Cerci would play? It seems pretty clear we would only sign him if we were willing to use the 4-3-3 at times next season, I don't see where he would be expected to play in a 3-5-2, so it's not an issue like Giovinco. Giovinco's problem is that he keeps insisting he is a striker when he isn't, he is the one who wants to play up front.
 

Joe

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It really isnt.I have seen plenty of these players who work well in a particular system but are not dynamic enough to take their game to the next level.Giovinco had everything going around for him at Parma as well but he ended up being a total misfit in our system.

This Cerci has already failed at two clubs and is on the verge of being 27.How much better you think he can get ? And as already said above,he has ideal conditions going about for him at Torino.

If we were to defend and counter like mid-table clubs,sure i'd welcome him here.But most of the time we are looking to control the game than let the opposition have the ball.I have watched him enough and against defenses that dont give much space,he really is shut down pretty easily.
You make it seem like Cuadrado is playing for Bayern Munich and Cerci is playing for Padova.

Cuadrado is at a mid-table team as well and has never tore the place up either.

LOL. Cerci failed at two clubs already? He's season at Fiorentina was better than whatever Cuadrado managed to muster up.

Bullshit you watched him enough, you're talking at of your ass.

Quit being biased. You don't like Cerci? Fine. But don't say Cuadrado is the better player with the better end product, find someone else to compare.
 
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No really it is, if we are taking what was said as a general argument. Dusan only spoke of talent, and the smaller club being an argument against.

Cuadrado would play here as a RWB. Where do you suppose Cerci would play? It seems pretty clear we would only sign him if we were willing to use the 4-3-3 at times next season, I don't see where he would be expected to play in a 3-5-2, so it's not an issue like Giovinco. Giovinco's problem is that he keeps insisting he is a striker when he isn't, he is the one who wants to play up front.
WTH?> Cuadrado isnt a rwb, have you even seen him play? why would we bench Licht just to play a player who is a defensive liability but can cross? Will that be a repeat of all the hype over Isla benching Licht? If cuadrado came he would have to play as a winger and nothing else.
 

JuveJay

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It's probably better that we just focus on what each player could bring to our team. Personally I don't have a problem with either, although I think speaking about realistically signing Cuadrado is pretty close to a waste of time.

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WTH?> Cuadrado isnt a rwb, have you even seen him play? why would we bench Licht just to play a player who is a defensive liability but can cross? Will that be a repeat of all the hype over Isla benching Licht? If cuadrado came he would have to play as a winger and nothing else.
I mean in our current system. And he has played (currently plays in a 3-5-1-1) in that more attacking five man midfield role before for Fiorentina. I wouldn't get too caught up field position, it's clear he and Lichtsteiner are different types of player.

What I'm saying is that whether he plays there or as an attacker he isn't restricted by our tactics. I'd assume we would alternate a 4-3-3 with either of these players.
 
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    I'm aganist bringing Berardi back. Why would we bring him back if we don't clearly know whether Conte really wants the change of formations? In my opinion, even though I would much rather see a game play involving wingers, I don't see how Conte could possibly drop any of our current players besides Bonucci. Also Asa has excelled in the lwb position this season and while I don't know how he'd as a lb, I think he would be replaced with a true lb, if we did indeed get one. Another thing is Conte is a fan of a 2 man attack and Tevez and Llorente have been in very good form so I don't see how you would drop either one.

    If we did transition to a 4-3-3, you'd have to answer these questions:

    -Would conte drop Asa or play him at lb?
    -Would conte drop tevez or play him as a winger?
    -What player could we purchase in the summer mercato that could possibly upgrade our current 11? (That would fit our budget)
    -Would Conte really drop Bonucci even after he hasn't dropped him after all of the fuck ups?
    -Why would we change a winning formation?
    maybe he plans on using wingers on more occasions since he'd have some in the club. We'll see when we start the next mercato.
     

    Joe

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    Some members like B81 and Cusp don't understand we have financial parameters and we can't just go sign a world class player and drop 30M+ (which won't even get you a world class player nowadays). We look for special opportunities and bargains. We've been operating this way for years now, and its been paying off well.

    We should keep doing what we're doing and start relying on youth as well.

    BvB made the CL final last season whilst their squad to build didn't even cost 1/4th of the price Real Madrid's if I remember correctly.
     
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    maybe he plans on using wingers on more occasions since he'd have some in the club. We'll see when we start the next mercato.
    You should ask my questions to your first post.

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    Some members like B81 and Cusp don't understand we have financial parameters and we can't just go sign a world class player and drop 30M+ (which won't even get you a world class player nowadays). We look for special opportunities and bargains. We've been operating this way for years now, and its been paying off well.

    We should keep doing what we're doing and start relying on youth as well.

    BvB made the CL final last season whilst their squad to build didn't even cost 1/4th of the price Real Madrid's if I remember correctly.
    We can't drop 30m but we can over pay for a player like Cerci.
     

    Joe

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    You should ask my questions to your first post.

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    We can't drop 30m but we can over pay for a player like Cerci.
    It isn't as easy as you or the others make it seem.

    World class players will go into high bidding wars. Wages we can't afford. Pricetags we can't afford.

    Cerci is on 800K wages a season. Remember we wanted to sign Aguero? Everyone thought he'd cost 30-40M, everyone was like oh Marotta just drop the money! Just do it, don't penny pinch! Aguero is making 10M pounds a season now. Do you think we can afford that?

    So say we overpay for Cerci by a couple million. Say we pay 18M for Cerci, and double his wages for 4 years.

    18M + 6.4M in wages. Thats 24.4M investment.

    Now take a 30M and add his wages.

    Do you see?
     
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    It isn't as easy as you or the others make it seem.

    World class players will go into high bidding wars. Wages we can't afford. Pricetags we can't afford.

    Cerci is on 800K wages a season. Remember we wanted to sign Aguero? Everyone thought he'd cost 30-40M, everyone was like oh Marotta just drop the money! Just do it, don't penny pinch! Aguero is making 10M pounds a season now. Do you think we can afford that?

    So say we overpay for Cerci by a couple million. Say we pay 18M for Cerci, and double his wages for 4 years.

    18M + 6.4M in wages. Thats 24.4M investment.

    Now take a 30M and add his wages.

    Do you see?
    Answer this for me, Will Cerci improve our starting 11?
     
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