Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (16 Viewers)

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Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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you could also upgrade the strikers but we won't have the cash for a suarez or cavani.
You could, but you would still have the same problems. What you really want is the ability to throw different options at the opponent, be able to get movement and creativity from different areas on the pitch.
 

rakib567

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to be honest if we want to challenge in Europe there must be a change in formation. in a 352 the only souce of creativity is pirlo vidal and pogba. we can't just rely on midfielders. an example to follow is Dortmund. what they did they spent money on talented 21,22,23, year old plaayers which showed that they had potential and intergrated them into the team.

look at how much they spent for their attack last season. Reus 17m Lewadolski 5m blaszczykowski 3m. Juve already have a top fordward number 9 like llorente and he can certainly score goals in Europe especially. we just need a few players that are going to be those vidal, pogba, reus type of investments and 1 world class player and we are set.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Say we do stick with the 3-5-2, which would be pretty disappointing…is there anyway to possibly make it better? Keeping in mind we don't have a huge transfer wallet.

We need some changes.
has anyone thought about valencia as a wingback... hes the fastest player in the EPL, hes a winger that also defends (played much games at RB) so he could adjust to the RWB role and if United starts rebuilding in the summer he may be available and cheap... if we dont get Cuadrado hes the closest to him we can get...
 

Enron

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to be honest if we want to challenge in Europe there must be a change in formation. in a 352 the only souce of creativity is pirlo vidal and pogba. we can't just rely on midfielders. an example to follow is Dortmund. what they did they spent money on talented 21,22,23, year old plaayers which showed that they had potential and intergrated them into the team.

look at how much they spent for their attack last season. Reus 17m Lewadolski 5m blaszczykowski 3m. Juve already have a top fordward number 9 like llorente and he can certainly score goals in Europe especially. we just need a few players that are going to be those vidal, pogba, reus type of investments and 1 world class player and we are set.
I wouldn't say you need to completely switch formations in Europe or in the league. The 3-5-2 is a good formation, but it's not going make you into an offensive power house. But all teams should be able to switch formation and play multiple tactics (even mid match) is certainly and advantage.

Juve has some good young players, but the problem is that it's never been club policy to integrate the kids into the first team.
 

rakib567

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We should chase 2 of: Lamela, Dimaria, Alex teixeira, Konoplyanka, Griezmann, Cuadrado

then add someone flexible like Romulo which can play both wing back and winger, and we have our 433.
 

Enron

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We should chase 2 of: Lamela, Dimaria, Alex teixeira, Konoplyanka, Griezmann, Cuadrado

then add someone flexible like Romulo which can play both wing back and winger, and we have our 433.
Konoplyanka's a damn good player. I thought we were going to land him in January but Dnipro's owner wouldn't sign off.
 

rakib567

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I wouldn't say you need to completely switch formations in Europe or in the league. The 3-5-2 is a good formation, but it's not going make you into an offensive power house. But all teams should be able to switch formation and play multiple tactics (even mid match) is certainly and advantage.

Juve has some good young players, but the problem is that it's never been club policy to integrate the kids into the first team.
Players at age 22+ are always ready to be integrated into a team. Zidane was integrated at age 23, del piero 21, pogba 20, chiellini 22, buffon 23..... We can do that with the likes of berardi, gabbiadini etc.. but first we need a 433 shape and that means getting top quality players first. dimaria is completely achievable as u might remember when Ronaldo came to real Madrid the likes of robben had to leave. this I think can be repeated as now bale as joined and rogriguez as stepped up I think dimaria is not the favourite anymore. robben left real Madrid at a price of around 23-24m so I expect the same for dimaria hopefully.

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Konoplyanka's a damn good player. I thought we were going to land him in January but Dnipro's owner wouldn't sign off.
his contract expires in 2015 as well. this could be a nice 10-12m euro deal like vidal was.
 

Adrian

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I think we lack width in final third in Europe...and this is where those names mentioned come into play. Lich does well on the right but he is nowhere near as creative as the likes of robben, ribery and co. The only way we can have this is if we do change formation. In addition, having the likes of Llorente who has great aerial talents, it makes sense to utilise that.

I just don't know if we can bring in two quality wingers due to budget reasons. Any of those names mentioned above will cost an arm and a leg for us. Maybe we need to invest in a player like Di Maria and put faith in another like Berardi who wouldn't cost as much.
 

Fint

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you forgot berardi, gabbiadini etc.
Players at age 22+ are always ready to be integrated into a team. Zidane was integrated at age 23, del piero 21, pogba 20, chiellini 22, buffon 23..... We can do that with the likes of berardi, gabbiadini etc.. but first we need a 433 shape and that means getting top quality players first. dimaria is completely achievable as u might remember when Ronaldo came to real Madrid the likes of robben had to leave. this I think can be repeated as now bale as joined and rogriguez as stepped up I think dimaria is not the favourite anymore. robben left real Madrid at a price of around 23-24m so I expect the same for dimaria hopefully.
Impossible
 

zizinho

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I think we lack width in final third in Europe...and this is where those names mentioned come into play. Lich does well on the right but he is nowhere near as creative as the likes of robben, ribery and co. The only way we can have this is if we do change formation. In addition, having the likes of Llorente who has great aerial talents, it makes sense to utilise that.

I just don't know if we can bring in two quality wingers due to budget reasons. Any of those names mentioned above will cost an arm and a leg for us. Maybe we need to invest in a player like Di Maria and put faith in another like Berardi who wouldn't cost as much.
we seriously lack a player that can beat his man and cross/cut in/pass/score... tevez can do that sometimes against weaker sides but we cant rely on that always... it would be perfect if we can add two of those type, but it is hard to predict who exactly will be available in the summer. so a 433/352 with cuadrado/lamela, coentrao would be very good in my opinion.
 

zizinho

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i didnt read his former few posts but i noticed he always mentions those two... :D

A di maria-coentrao double swoop, anybody? :p
we could trick them like Bayern when they promissed them Ribery if they get Robben... :D

but seriously, i would say yes only if vidal/pogba are not involved. they would probably ask for vidal and/or pogba... that way i wouldnt do it...
 

Pirlo's Beard

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Oct 2, 2013
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Di Maria (35M) + Coentrao (10-15M) + a small sum of cash for Pogba?

Sounds reasonable to me if Pogba is infact leaving.


Use the cash for 1 or 2 squad rotation options that don't suck I.E Romulo and Murru (Who might be free) Plus Menez on a free if possible.

Then use what remains of our Summer budget to either buy a left winger or any other good opportunity that arises for 25M or less.
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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Di Maria (35M) + Coentrao (10-15M) + a small sum of cash for Pogba?

Sounds reasonable to me if Pogba is infact leaving.


Use the cash for 1 or 2 squad rotation options that don't suck I.E Romulo and Murru (Who might be free) Plus Menez on a free if possible.

Then use what remains of our Summer budget to either buy a left winger or any other good opportunity that arises for 25M or less.
First time I can slightly agree with you. When having these discussions I like to picture the entire team and see if it it's better than the other alternative.



Gigi
Licht - Barza - Chiellini - Coentrao
Vidal - Asamoah
Nani/Cerci/Menez - Tevez - Di Maria
Llorente


Looks, to me, better than what we have on paper right now. IF we could somehow get a better winger for the RW it would be a no brainer, but I don't know which winger we could realistically get for 25m EU who would be better than that.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Di Maria (35M) + Coentrao (10-15M) + a small sum of cash for Pogba?

Sounds reasonable to me if Pogba is infact leaving.


Use the cash for 1 or 2 squad rotation options that don't suck I.E Romulo and Murru (Who might be free) Plus Menez on a free if possible.

Then use what remains of our Summer budget to either buy a left winger or any other good opportunity that arises for 25M or less.
i wouldnt give away Pogba unless we get Ronaldo or Messi... However, if he really wants to leave then sell him like this...
1. tell him not to say in public he wants a transfer,
2. wait for him to beast around in the world cup,
3. sell for 120M or 2 world class players + 60M
 
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