Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (49 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

Astori One of the shittiest defenders in circulation, even more idiotic than the lol-worthy Ranocchia.

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I hope there is truth in the Manduzic rumours, he'd be immense here. Fuck width gimme something like:

Buffon
Litch-Barza-Chiellini-LB
Vidal-Pirlo-Asamoah
Tevez
Llorente-Mandzucic​

Ok, maybe some width but Mandzucic would be a top addition to this squad.

That lineup is actually weaker than the one we are currently fielding. What the fuck happened to Pogba?

 

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[Pirlo's Beard]

Astori One of the $#@!tiest defenders in circulation, even more idiotic than the lol-worthy Ranocchia.

If he gets a call up for the NT in the Summer World Cup, we'll be linked to him no doubt.

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Nah we should stay very clear of 4-3-1-2, it's way too narrow in the era of Wingers.

 

[zizinho]

Dortmund want Astori. There's a chance one of Hummels/Subotic leaving IMO.

hm, interesting. they are gonna lose Lewandowski, probably Gundogan, and I doubt they would be happy with a 3rd starter leaving in the same summer, with Reus probably leaving too in 2015. Could this be the end of this Dortmund generation

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That lineup is actually weaker than the one we are currently fielding. What the $#@! happened to Pogba?

Maybe hes a backup now

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Dortmund will be done in a couple of seasons

They shot themselves in the foot with their awful release clauses

Sahin going for a few mill, Reus will go in 2 years for 35M, Kagawa went for well under 20M, Lewa is going for free etc etc

Imagine if a club like Porto had Lewa, Sahin, Kagawa etc all playing to their best levels. They would've made 3 times what Dortmund will easily.

 

[Emmet]

no to 4-3-1-2

4-3-2-1 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3

 

[Xperd]

The fact is, our defence IS up there with the best. I never said our defence is invincible, did I?


It's not World Class? Oh ok then, you'll have no problem naming 5 clubs who are definitely better at defending than us then.

'The players make the formation'

... Obviously.

Which is why I said, when we play a 3 MAN DEFENCE, we HAVE to field somebody like Bonucci, who is prone to a gigantic error. If we were a back 4 he would not be in the starting line up

If you seriously think there's a lot of teams out there who are better than us at defending, you're clearly not watching enough of their games.

Defending well against fodder Italian teams doesnt mean it becomes an elite level defense suddenly.We screwed up Champions League this yr due to defensive errors and last season this supposed 'world class' defense was run ragged by Bayern,both home and away.

Bonucci is error prone no doubt but blaming our defensive failures purely down to him is exaggerating to make a point.Chiellini has been equally error prone this year.

See on an Italian level our defense is very good but we need to see top performances from the defense on an European level before drawing conclusions.

 

[zizinho]

Dortmund will be done in a couple of seasons

They shot themselves in the foot with their awful release clauses

Sahin going for a few mill, Reus will go in 2 years for 35M, Kagawa went for well under 20M, Lewa is going for free etc etc

Imagine if a club like Porto had Lewa, Sahin, Kagawa etc all playing to their best levels. They would've made 3 times what Dortmund will easily.

They could have sold Lewa last summer but Watzke (their president) said they will make more money with him in the squad in the CL than they would get for selling him

 

[Daddi]

Anyone think Marotta should pounce on Lavezzi?

 

[Fr3sh]

That lineup is actually weaker than the one we are currently fielding. What the fuck happened to Pogba?

Nigga is getting to big headed
And not to mention Kwadwo is least likely to break my weak heart.

But I really want to see us with two big men up front, Mandzucic partnering with Llorente would work really well imo.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

No defence would have done better against Bayern with our game plan

Put yourselves in the shoes of our defenders

Pirlo kept giving the ball away, Matri and Quags couldn't hold the ball up to save their lives so it was 90 minutes of slaughter. It was literally attacks Vs defence

And even with 90 minutes of defending (Thanks to Pirlo and an incompetant strike force) their goals were a lucky deflection and an offside assist.


As for this season, we got screwed by the reff away in Madrid and Lichtsteiner was out of the crucial matches.

 

[Xperd]

No defence would have done better against Bayern with our game plan

Put yourselves in the shoes of our defenders

Pirlo kept giving the ball away, Matri and Quags couldn't hold the ball up to save their lives so it was 90 minutes of slaughter. It was literally attacks Vs defence

And even with 90 minutes of defending (Thanks to Pirlo and an incompetant strike force) their goals were a lucky deflection and an offside assist.


As for this season, we got screwed by the reff away in Madrid and Lichtsteiner was out of the crucial matches.

So you discredit everything else again just to win an argument Bravo.

Bayern missed so many easy chances that i lost count off.We should be thankful that it only ended 2-0 but fact is we were truly exposed in that game and ironically Bonucci was the best defender on the night.Both Barzagli and Chiellini had a torrid time.

Against Real Madrid,we were outdone by quality.Nothing to see here.

But what about the rest of the games ? Why conveniently ignore them ? There were huge defensive mistakes in both Galatasaray and Copenhagen games.But as usual you'll try to scapegoat one or the other just to make a point.

I have to be totally convinced that this defense can hold up against the best of the lot.Until then i'm going to remain skeptical.

 

[zizinho]

Both Barzagli and Chiellini had a torrid time.

Maybe, this was because they were up against the best 2 wingers in the world (besides Ronaldo) in their absolute top form. add an annoying Mandzukic who pressed them really hard the whole game and you get what we saw. if you had Nesta Cannavaro and Thuram in their top form it wouldnt make a difference

 

[Fr3sh]

Maybe, this was because they were up against the best 2 wingers in the world (besides Ronaldo) in their absolute top form. add an annoying Mandzukic who pressed them really hard the whole game and you get what we saw. if you had Nesta Cannavaro and Thuram in their top form it wouldnt make a difference

I want him!!

Buffon
Litch-Barza-Chiellini-Caceres
Asamoah-Pogba-Vidal
Mandzukic-Llorente---Di Maria​

DAT GRINTA!!

 

[Xperd]

Maybe, this was because they were up against the best 2 wingers in the world (besides Ronaldo) in their absolute top form. add an annoying Mandzukic who pressed them really hard the whole game and you get what we saw. if you had Nesta Cannavaro and Thuram in their top form it wouldnt make a difference

Only if the score had been 4-0 which it could've been had Bayern not missed all those sitters ,you wouldnt be talking like this.

But,i'm just being realistic here.I want to see how this defense can hold up in the coming seasons in Europe before drawing conclusions like that.So far we've nothing to show apart from dominating Italian teams.

If this defense is truly world class then we must have been doing something right in CL which we dint this year.

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Add to that age factor..How long until Barzagli can be claimed as a world class defender ? He's 33..

Same to applies to Chiellini and Lichtsteiner who both are on the wrong side of 30.

 

[zizinho]

first thing we need a new formation (4-3-3). when youre defending its not everything up on the defenders. midfielders wingers have influence on how strong the defense is. while most teams defend in two lines of 4 players in each which gives you some kind of balance we dont have that in the 3-5-2. our wingback are dropped so we have a line of 5 and infront a line of 3 players. thats not balanced well and vidal and pogba have a lot of work in that system as they have to cover Pirlo AND the wingbacks. defenders have a lot of easier job when the whole team defends well (and im not talking about statistics like tackles, recovered balls etc. im talking about defending as an unit) with a new formation coming im sure our defense will prove you wrong next season

 

[Xperd]

first thing we need a new formation (4-3-3). when youre defending its not everything up on the defenders. midfielders wingers have influence on how strong the defense is. while most teams defend in two lines of 4 players in each which gives you some kind of balance we dont have that in the 3-5-2. our wingback are dropped so we have a line of 5 and infront a line of 3 players. thats not balanced well and vidal and pogba have a lot of work in that system as they have to cover Pirlo AND the wingbacks. defenders have a lot of easier job when the whole team defends well (and im not talking about statistics like tackles, recovered balls etc. im talking about defending as an unit) with a new formation coming im sure our defense will prove you wrong next season

Valid points and yes hopefully we do defend well against quality European teams we come up against.But until then, i have every right to remain skeptical based on what i've seen uptil now .

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Nah you're right, I change my mind

Our defence sucks, we should sell them all and bring in the big guns like Chris Smalling and Lescott.

Buying new CBs should be our priority, because they're what cost us in Europe. I feel sorry for out prolific attack, having to carry the likes of Barzagli.

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I did not know that Chiellini (29) was on the wrong side of 30

When you put it that way.... best release him from his contract ASAP

 

[Xperd]

Nah you're right, I change my mind

Our defence sucks, we should sell them all and bring in the big guns like Chris Smalling and Lescott.

Buying new CBs should be our priority, because they're what cost us in Europe. I feel sorry for out prolific attack, having to carry the likes of Barzagli.

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I did not know that Chiellini (29) was on the wrong side of 30

When you put it that way.... best release him from his contract ASAP

You're being really stupid now.

All i'm saying is i dont know if this defense can be considered an elite defense but apparently you're having a mental breakdown it seems so lets end thsi argument for now.

 

[zizinho]

i just hope Rugani and Murru (hopefuly hes ours ) develop into something good. Ogbonna-Rugani would be a good pairing when Barza-Chiello are gonne and from Murru i expect to be atleast a top 10 LB.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Only one being stupid here is you

I'm still waiting for that list of 5 better defences than Juve.


As it stands, our defence can not be improved significantly, it's definitely good enough for the CL. Plenty of teams with inferior defences have done a hell of a lot better than us