Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (21 Viewers)

[PowerNedved]

I once saw a website that explained Conte's tactical evolution from 4-2-4 to the 3-5-2. Do you have the link or know the website??

 

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[vodka]

I once saw a website that explained Conte's tactical evolution from 4-2-4 to the 3-5-2. Do you have the link or know the website??

http://www.zonalmarking.net/ ?

 

[Joe]

I find it interesting that Juventus are loaning out Spinazzola to Atalanta and they have an option to buy and we then have an option to buy him back.

We must think he could be worth something. He's looked pretty decent this preseason IIRC.

 

[Bianconero81]

lavezzi is simply not worth the risk/money, if we dont have enough for a real marquee player then lets not waster the little we got on garbage.

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We set aside ? Did we now really ?

Why didnt we close the deal if we had it ?

Nobody in our team is a true trequartista, but marchisio is the only one who can play there without obstructing other players, wich is why Conte did it.


Its amazing how B81 and Zoso continue to think Conte is an idiot, because he did that every time we played a cam behind strikers.

Conte left, and we apparently changed objectives. However, considering that we were incredibly close to signing him at one point (if reports are accurate), I'm led to believe that we have the money for a decent/quality acquisition for the AM/TQ role.

I never said Conte was an idiot. I was skeptical of his choice, and when Marchisio was deployed in that role, he was largely ineffective.

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I think this mercato can already be evaluated. We ended last season with a few priorities and glaring needs in the squad.

My rating of the mercato so far is based on fulfilling of priorities and analysing some important deals separately.

These 8 priorities, in order of importance, with the first one being the most important, the next 4 being equally important and the last 3 being the least important, were IMO:

1 -keep our 2 best players, Vidal and Pogba. - OK so far. 10/10 (x3) = 30/30

2- offload unused old players who make a lot of money - 7/10 (x2) = 14/20 - good job on Vucinic (6M upfront is good); average on Quag (sold only for 3.5M in 3 years, but at least was offloaded); let Osvaldo go; good on Peluso (4.5M); bad on Isla and Fausto Rossi (should be sold instead of loaned); average on Immobile (we got 8M upfront, not bad, but Torino made from 10-12M - not fair). Didn't offload Giovinco, Motta, Padoin, De Ceglie yet.

3 -make the squad younger - OK so far - 3 very young guys + Romulo 27yr old and Evra) - 7/10 (x2) = 14/20

4 -Get a LB who may allow us to play with a 4 back; - OK with Evra - 8/10 (x2) = 16/20

5 -Get 2 fast dribbling wingers/Second strikers who may allow us to vary the formation - only got Coman who is a project. 3/10 (x2) = 6/20

6 - Sell Bonucci in order to sign a young CB capable of playing in a 4men defence: 0/10 (x1)

7- Get a creative AM who can offer something different from the bench - nothing. 0/10 (x1)

8- have another CM option for rotation purposes; -Pereyra. 10/10 (x1)

So, out of (30 + 80 + 30) 140, the score is 90. 90/140 = 0.64.

It's a 6,4 out of 10 for fulfilling our priorities. I'd call it as the least possible acceptable mercato, considering merely the satisfaction of the priorities. It wasn't good, it wasn't horrible. Just average.

Now, in a less objective evaluation, considering the 20M invested on Morata, who plays in a position which is far from being a priority, or commited to spend:

- Morata for 20M (3x 6.8M) - overpayed for great potential, but also not one of the priorities. He's a backup CF. Also a very high risk transfer with the buyback clause.

So, we had 3 big money spending transfers, where we commited to spend 45M spread till 2017. Morata, Pereyra, Romulo. 3 guys who will improve the bench, but none of them was meant to fill in for glaring needs of the squad.

I'd rather pay 22M + 3M bonus for 70% of Iturbe, with his agent keeping his 30%. It's also overpaying, as we did with both Morata and Pereyra, but for a kind of player we desperately need.

Also would rather use the money commited to spend in Romulo and Pereyra (24M) to try to get Keita from Lazio, or a similar player from overseas.

If we paid 50M to be spread in 4 years for Iturbe and Keita, instead of 45M for Romulo, Pereyra and Morata, it would be much better IMO.

So we ended up commiting to pay a lot of money for players in positions we are not dying to fill in. Even though the transfers made do fulfill other requirements as youth, it was a clear mistake strategy wise.

So I'll give in the end a 5/10 mercato. Wrong strategy, even though some priorities were fulfilled, like offloading the biggest part of the deadweight, making the squad younger, keeping Vidal and Pogba, finding a LB. But we spend our money where we didn't need it, with some crucial problems in the squad. That's why I qualify it as poor mercato.

If they leave, it makes for a disastrous mercato. Marotta's biggest error was compromising the money we have for the next years on players for the wrong positions.

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We won't sell Giovinco, unless he admits that he wants out. I think that Allegri sees in him at least important rotation player or even starter if we are going to weary 4321.

May the gods be kind, forgiving, and merciful.

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I agree.

Morata is going to do very well IMO, might even bench Llorente who knows.

I think Pereyra will shock a lot of people. I'm really excited to see him play in competitive match.

I love you Joe. Always that ray of sunshine. I'm sure you'd be excited if we signed a shit in a sack

 

[Hust]

If Marotta wants to puff on the ball sack of another club, he should be bowing down to Aulas in Lyon, or whatever his name is in Porto. Udinese sucks compared to them. So man up and try a little international private instead of wasting your days down the street in Udine.

How much is Hulk?

 

[khalidkassim]

I think this mercato can already be evaluated. We ended last season with a few priorities and glaring needs in the squad.

My rating of the mercato so far is based on fulfilling of priorities and analysing some important deals separately.

These 8 priorities, in order of importance, with the first one being the most important, the next 4 being equally important and the last 3 being the least important, were IMO:

1 -keep our 2 best players, Vidal and Pogba. - OK so far. 10/10 (x3) = 30/30

2- offload unused old players who make a lot of money - 7/10 (x2) = 14/20 - good job on Vucinic (6M upfront is good); average on Quag (sold only for 3.5M in 3 years, but at least was offloaded); let Osvaldo go; good on Peluso (4.5M); bad on Isla and Fausto Rossi (should be sold instead of loaned); average on Immobile (we got 8M upfront, not bad, but Torino made from 10-12M - not fair). Didn't offload Giovinco, Motta, Padoin, De Ceglie yet.

3 -make the squad younger - OK so far - 3 very young guys + Romulo 27yr old and Evra) - 7/10 (x2) = 14/20

4 -Get a LB who may allow us to play with a 4 back; - OK with Evra - 8/10 (x2) = 16/20

5 -Get 2 fast dribbling wingers/Second strikers who may allow us to vary the formation - only got Coman who is a project. 3/10 (x2) = 6/20

6 - Sell Bonucci in order to sign a young CB capable of playing in a 4men defence: 0/10 (x1)

7- Get a creative AM who can offer something different from the bench - nothing. 0/10 (x1)

8- have another CM option for rotation purposes; -Pereyra. 10/10 (x1)

So, out of (30 + 80 + 30) 140, the score is 90. 90/140 = 0.64.

It's a 6,4 out of 10 for fulfilling our priorities. I'd call it as the least possible acceptable mercato, considering merely the satisfaction of the priorities. It wasn't good, it wasn't horrible. Just average.

Now, in a less objective evaluation, considering the 20M invested on Morata, who plays in a position which is far from being a priority, or commited to spend:

- Morata for 20M (3x 6.8M) - overpayed for great potential, but also not one of the priorities. He's a backup CF. Also a very high risk transfer with the buyback clause.

So, we had 3 big money spending transfers, where we commited to spend 45M spread till 2017. Morata, Pereyra, Romulo. 3 guys who will improve the bench, but none of them was meant to fill in for glaring needs of the squad.

I'd rather pay 22M + 3M bonus for 70% of Iturbe, with his agent keeping his 30%. It's also overpaying, as we did with both Morata and Pereyra, but for a kind of player we desperately need.

Also would rather use the money commited to spend in Romulo and Pereyra (24M) to try to get Keita from Lazio, or a similar player from overseas.

If we paid 50M to be spread in 4 years for Iturbe and Keita, instead of 45M for Romulo, Pereyra and Morata, it would be much better IMO.

So we ended up commiting to pay a lot of money for players in positions we are not dying to fill in. Even though the transfers made do fulfill other requirements as youth, it was a clear mistake strategy wise.

So I'll give in the end a 5/10 mercato. Wrong strategy, even though some priorities were fulfilled, like offloading the biggest part of the deadweight, making the squad younger, keeping Vidal and Pogba, finding a LB. But we spend our money where we didn't need it, with some crucial problems in the squad. That's why I qualify it as poor mercato.

If they leave, it makes for a disastrous mercato. Marotta's biggest error was compromising the money we have for the next years on players for the wrong positions.

There's a lot that has yet to happen. Its only the beginning of August and unlike previous seasons I expect a lot to unfold late in the transfer market especially if as I suspect we are jostling and positioning ourselves in in order to get the highest possible transfer fee for King Arturo.

If his deal does go through within the next few days, then expect 2 major signings in return. We've bought all the squad players and ironed out long term installments / loans with other teams before the Vidal cash comes in so that we can focus on the names whose teams won't accept such deals for their players...the top players.

If we do get 2 top class players in return for Vidal, I'd always be sad to see Vidal go but given the new dynamic/coaching/formation of the team we may just be able to survive and possibly even thrive without him. All I'm saying is save your mercato ratings for the end of August, that's when you'll have a full picture of this wild frenzy we love to observe and analyze.

Till then gentleman, Forza Juve.

 

[j0ker]

The top players..

Guarin and Candreva.

 

[Boksic]

I find it interesting that Juventus are loaning out Spinazzola to Atalanta and they have an option to buy and we then have an option to buy him back.

We must think he could be worth something. He's looked pretty decent this preseason IIRC.

Always liked him since the Primavera, glad he finally seems to be progressing

 

[jakku7]

Always liked him since the Primavera, glad he finally seems to be progressing

Same. If co-ownerships hadn't been canceled Atalanta would have the right to redeem 50% of the player with no buy-back clause. I'm still not sure if that was a good decision, but on the other hand now we don't have to negotiate with these avid minor clubs because buy-back price is set.

 

[khalidkassim]

The top players..

Guarin and Candreva.

We may have Allegri as a coach but we are no AC Milan.

I dont think any self respecting Juve fan would accept that and I dont think we desperately need to sell Vidal to balance our books. The only reason we'd do it so that we can be more competitive and balanced in other areas of the pitch since we're pretty damn strong in the CM.

 

[Orgut]

The top players..

Guarin and Candreva.

Candreva is able to suprise you
While he is being overrated now he has been underrated before
I always thought he did well with us

 

[Sjaban]

Candreva is able to suprise you
While he is being overrated now he has been underrated before
I always thought he did well with us

He just looked good because the entire team was garbage then

 

[Gep]

Lavezzi on the left. Coman on the right, in a 4-2-3-1. You want pace yeah??

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Lavezzi on the left. Coman on the right, in a 4-2-3-1. You want pace yeah??

isn't it meant to be the other way around?

 

[GrecoJuve]

Coman will not be a starter. Don't overrate him, if you don't want to turn out as a new ''Giovinco''.

 

[Gep]

isn't it meant to be the other way around?

 

[Fint]

Ezequiel Lavezzi has told PSG that he would prefer a move to Juventus over Liverpool.
source - twitter

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The top players..

Guarin and Candreva.

i know that made me laugh

 

[zizinho]

any news on Kagawa? i heard Van Gaal doesent want him because he has too many 10s. i also heard Everton wants him on loan. what is waiting for then? loan + option to buy

 

[GIGIthebest]

I would accept lavezzi, but for 18 million or more, i think its a bit too much and we should look for a younger player thats about as good if not better than lavezzi, even if it does cost us another 5-10 million. Thats if we even sign a winger/attacking midfielder.