Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (24 Viewers)
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I liked Baggio's analysis, apart from the "Llorente isnt a top player" part
Yes, he is a top player, very high quality, one of the 3 best targetmen in the game when it comes to playing with back to the goal.
Is he world class and worth 37 mil ? offcourse not, he's worth 25mil at most, cause he isnt a profilic goalscorer.
Imo, any striker that costs over 20 mil need to be extremely good at something, and over 25 mil must mean he'll score +20 goals/season
I do wonder, can anyone PLEASE confirm me :
Did agnelli actually said "Agnelli: We have significant budget, but I don't want Ibra to return." ? is this an actual quote or bullshit by gazetta ?
that "significant budget part, especially after conte talks, is intriguing
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That would work less then higuain-llorente tbh.
the more i think about it, the less i like the vucinic-llorente idea, cause none of both are profilic goalscorers, and both are mostly excelling at helping the team
vidal to score 20 goals ?
Yes, he is a top player, very high quality, one of the 3 best targetmen in the game when it comes to playing with back to the goal.
Is he world class and worth 37 mil ? offcourse not, he's worth 25mil at most, cause he isnt a profilic goalscorer.
Imo, any striker that costs over 20 mil need to be extremely good at something, and over 25 mil must mean he'll score +20 goals/season
I do wonder, can anyone PLEASE confirm me :
Did agnelli actually said "Agnelli: We have significant budget, but I don't want Ibra to return." ? is this an actual quote or bullshit by gazetta ?
that "significant budget part, especially after conte talks, is intriguing
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llorrente - vucinic 
the more i think about it, the less i like the vucinic-llorente idea, cause none of both are profilic goalscorers, and both are mostly excelling at helping the team
vidal to score 20 goals ?
Dunno.
In this thing with SKY there is no mention of the significant budget:
http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-...ambizioni-coincidono-entrambi-vogliamo-292974
In this thing with SKY there is no mention of the significant budget:
http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-...ambizioni-coincidono-entrambi-vogliamo-292974
Higuain?
"Devo dire che la parte di mercato, io ho sempre sostenuto che c'è quella che chiamo io, la capacità di fuoco. La capacità di fuoco sono il costo del personale tesserato, più gli ammortamenti. Quest'anno saremo vicini ai 200 milioni per queste due voci e questo ci mette tra il sesto, settimo, ottavo e il nono posto in Europa. Quindi se vale il discorso del budget, noi dovremo raggiungere tutti gli anni, come minimo, i quarti di finale di Champions League. Ora sappiamo perfettamente che questo... c'è l'equazione budget = risultato sportivo non c'è, bisogna avere la capacità di gestirlo al meglio, bisogna avere la capacità di gestire i giocatori al meglio, perchè le motivazioni, il lavoro e la volontà, danno sempre quel qualcosa in più. Però il budget che noi mettiamo a disposizione dell'area sportiva, è un budget sicuramente importante. Dal mio punto di vista ho sempre sostenuto che queste sono decisioni che vengono delegate in primis a Marotta, che poi ne discute con Paratici, con Nedved, con Conte stesso, che è parte integrante di queste decisioni. Loro devono stare entro questa cifra. Poi possono smontarla e rimontarla, l'importante è che il costo totale tra ammortamenti e retribuzione personale tesserato, faccia quello gli viene messo a disposizione".
Maybe someone can translate this part better.
He's rather vague, saying marotta gets a certain figure, and that he consults nedved, paratici and conte(who has an important say in it) how to invest it.
He then goes on to say that they can deplete and replenish it, but the net spend cannot excess this budget.
Interesting, one could say that Marotta doesnt have a restriction of how many to pay for a single player. eg he can use it all for one player
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hmm, not a fan of it. requires specific players to work
He then goes on to say that they can deplete and replenish it, but the net spend cannot excess this budget.
Interesting, one could say that Marotta doesnt have a restriction of how many to pay for a single player. eg he can use it all for one player
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hmm, not a fan of it. requires specific players to work
Hes not dodging the question, i think he''s saying "the budget we make avaibale for sportive area, is certainly an important budget"
Important, perhaps i mistranslate it.
PERHAPS GAZETTA MISTRANSLATED IT ON PURPOSE
brb asking italian friend
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It indeed was, but requires specific players indeed
those cm's need very high stamina, and good speed to keep the pressing up
the 2 wide attackers, from what i see, need good off the ball movement, and very good speed.
Would work for most south american teams imo. And seriously, how good was Chile doing with like one of the lesser selections out of that region
Important, perhaps i mistranslate it.
PERHAPS GAZETTA MISTRANSLATED IT ON PURPOSE
brb asking italian friend
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It indeed was, but requires specific players indeed
those cm's need very high stamina, and good speed to keep the pressing up
the 2 wide attackers, from what i see, need good off the ball movement, and very good speed.
Would work for most south american teams imo. And seriously, how good was Chile doing with like one of the lesser selections out of that region
The interesting thing about dianmanti in pirlo's role is that he has more energy and dynamism than pirlo which I think we can benefit from....he's no slouch on free kicks either...pirlo is not untouchable imho..and he has frustrated me way too much at times this season..
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And dianmanti has to come cheapish btw
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And get a haircut
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And dianmanti has to come cheapish btw
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And get a haircut
As much as we are collectively dismayed at the (either real or perceived) weakness our present squad/system has in attack; I think that in a way it is something of a benefit to us. More so than most other teams, our goals can be provided by just about anyone from anywhere on the pitch.. Not only are our strikers capable of scoring (though not as prolifically as we'd like); so between Vucinic, Giovinco, Quag and Matri, they're likely to lead the attack and score. However, the likes of Giak, Marchisio, Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Marrone, Licht and so on are almost just as likely to bag a goal due to the way we play (Not to mention Martín's dopietta vs Milan in the Coppa last season, even Chiello with a header or two himself). I see that as a strength, in that we are not dependant (A bit like Chelsea with a misfiring Torres and Ba losing his touch since moving to Stamford bridge; it has been the likes of Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Lampard and co who have been doing the bulk of scoring and assisting!). Look at the Ibra era of Milan, with Pato injured most of the time, Seerdorf slowing down and Inzaghi not the player he once was, it basically fell to Ibra to do it all; and if he was successfully neutralised then Milan became more or less impotent in their offensive play. SES was/is still young and Robinho was talked up, only to fail to being his best for the Rossoneri, to be honest I am grateful we don't have this issue!!
Still, with Llorente coming, Diamanti looking more likely, and the fact we've also been linked (in varying degrees) with the likes of Suarez, Sanchez, JoJo and Higuain is a sure sign that in some way shape or form, our weakest element, our attack, will be upgraded over the coarse of the mercato. Which looking at our past weaknesses, big players not wanting to come to Juve due to no CL, poor Serie A performances/season results, lack of a noteworthy coach, stable environment and overall club ambitions. Over the last two seasons we have gone a long way to remedying this problem and I'm certain that over the course of the next few seasons, Juve is going to only grow in strength. Were it not for the factors mentioned, we probably would've already landed an Agüero, Dzeko and/or other big note players that in the end we were unable to secure.
Hernanes!
La Vergogna! 
Why did we sell Legro again? May as well just kept him ffs... I'd rather we played Caceres more tbh, of bring back Masi/Sorensen and actually try grow a defender in the manner of Chiello or Bonny!
Still, with Llorente coming, Diamanti looking more likely, and the fact we've also been linked (in varying degrees) with the likes of Suarez, Sanchez, JoJo and Higuain is a sure sign that in some way shape or form, our weakest element, our attack, will be upgraded over the coarse of the mercato. Which looking at our past weaknesses, big players not wanting to come to Juve due to no CL, poor Serie A performances/season results, lack of a noteworthy coach, stable environment and overall club ambitions. Over the last two seasons we have gone a long way to remedying this problem and I'm certain that over the course of the next few seasons, Juve is going to only grow in strength. Were it not for the factors mentioned, we probably would've already landed an Agüero, Dzeko and/or other big note players that in the end we were unable to secure.
Hernanes!
Bonera
Why did we sell Legro again? May as well just kept him ffs... I'd rather we played Caceres more tbh, of bring back Masi/Sorensen and actually try grow a defender in the manner of Chiello or Bonny!
Agnelli's interview is actually quite important and rich on info. Yes he meant that the budget has a high value, a lot of money in other words. It's basically 200M/season. "Capacitá di fuoco" - "fire power" - capacity to spend = budget
The 200M part:
He basically said that Juve currently has the capacity of spending around 200M/year with wages + transfer fees. Can't cross that line. That's the club's current capacity do spend, without depending on any results in CL. He said that you shouldn't rely on sportive results in order to plan the budget. So I'd say 200M is a very conservative figure.
Right now the salaries are around 115M/year, from gazzetta reports in the beginning of the season.
In the 2012-2013 season, Juve spent around 50M with amortization (transfer fees payment).
I don't know which chunk is left with yearly installments.
Let's suppose that 30M will still be due to be payed in installments for 2013/14 for players already signed. And that salaries will raise to 125m/year.
This means it will be left around 45M to spend in transfer fees for 2013/14. It looks better than I thought. I believe this value is not considering player sellings.
The 200M part:
He basically said that Juve currently has the capacity of spending around 200M/year with wages + transfer fees. Can't cross that line. That's the club's current capacity do spend, without depending on any results in CL. He said that you shouldn't rely on sportive results in order to plan the budget. So I'd say 200M is a very conservative figure.
Right now the salaries are around 115M/year, from gazzetta reports in the beginning of the season.
In the 2012-2013 season, Juve spent around 50M with amortization (transfer fees payment).
I don't know which chunk is left with yearly installments.
Let's suppose that 30M will still be due to be payed in installments for 2013/14 for players already signed. And that salaries will raise to 125m/year.
This means it will be left around 45M to spend in transfer fees for 2013/14. It looks better than I thought. I believe this value is not considering player sellings.
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