Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (38 Viewers)

[ZoSo]

Tevez is not world class

We finally agree.

 

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[baggio]

Funny how much money was wasted.

2010-13 money spent (transfer fees alone - no wages): 59.35 + 103.55 + 53.05 = €215.95m

Very good/key transfers:
Bonucci €15m
Barzagli €0.5m
Pirlo €0
Lichtsteiner €10m
Vidal €11m
Pogba 0
Asamoah €9m
=€30.5

So out of €216m, only €30.5m can be classified as very good.

Anyone who defends that should be shot.

We overpaid for Bonnucci too. A player Beppe was going to lose money on the following season, by inserting him in the Alves deal, till Conte blocked it. But well, the great man is the great man.

 

[Nzoric]

1. So you consider Llorente to be a top player? Not that I advocate the 'he's shit just coz he's free' argument, but if you think an out of form player who has had almost no continuity last season, will adapt to a new league, team and formation on the back of that season and contribute to this team in game changing ways, then sorry to say there is a possibility that you are mistaken. I'm not the one talking BS here. Please stand corrected.

2. If there are no further signings in attack this season, you won't need to see what the reasons are this season, because you will have two seasons before this to understand the reasons of our failure. I don't think Juve should sell or buy for the sake of it. But when the DS and team management identify players of a certain calibre publicly, then they are obligated to the fans and the team to chase after and try and close those players within reason. To walk away because we don't enter bidding wars cannot and should not be an excuse. And if you're going to say we didn't have the money, don't make me come there and lay the smack down on you because we have no business chasing a 30m euro Jovetic, a 35m Higuain and 7m a year Tevez. And quite frankly, of these are our targets, then Beppe can have absolutely no excuse for not signing Tevez on the numbers being bandied about, if they are true. There is NO excuse whatsoever.

*I personally do think however that the great man will deliver. And it would be interesting to see you disagree with him for signing any one of those players at the numbers you mentioned.

Why do I bother discussing this with you if you're just going to ignore everything I say and continue rambling down your own avenue?

If we sign Jovetic for 30m, Higuain for 35 or Tevez for 18 and 7m wages I will be furious, damn straight. We suffered because of idiotic transfers in the past and only did we start exiting that slump recently. But we won't sign any of them, not on those terms - which is exactly why Marotta is the perfect man for his job at the moment. He's building a very competitive squad without putting our existence into question. We only survived the Secco era because of massive cash injections, otherwise we would have been BANKRUPT - do you understand that?

 

[TheLaz]

then who is world class

World class:
Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, Lewandowski, van Persie, Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Bale, Cavani, Suarez, Aguero

Only two realistic targets..

 

[baggio]

Why do I bother discussing this with you if you're just going to ignore everything I say and continue rambling down your own avenue?

If we sign Jovetic for 30m, Higuain for 35 or Tevez for 18 and 7m wages I will be furious, damn straight. We suffered because of idiotic transfers in the past and only did we start exiting that slump recently. But we won't sign any of them, not on those terms - which is exactly why Marotta is the perfect man for his job at the moment. He's building a very competitive squad without putting our existence into question. We only survived the Secco era because of massive cash injections, otherwise we would have been BANKRUPT - do you understand that?

No.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

World class:
Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, Lewandowski, van Persie, Quagliarella, Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Bale, Cavani, Suarez, Aguero

I think Teves is just as good as anyone you mentioned in the world class category except messi and ronaldo

 

[Vlad]

You know what's funny? Tevez pretty much has shit over every club he's ever played for. You like him and see him as WC fine. I never did. Apart from that he's 29 with huge wages demands and rather fickle.

 

[runner0xff]

InterDestroyer, i will now connect to the great 'informational space channel' (or how the fuck else David Icke calls this shit) and will send you a great magical respect for the great post! =)

DP84 How about that????!!! Ha???!!!

 

[Nzoric]

No.

Obviously you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be advocating moves like these which would put our stability on the line. If we sign Tevez for 7m, suddenly we have a new wage cap. All the players Marotta signed thus far certainly knew that 4.5 is the most they could ever make at Juventus and accepted to that. If we sign Tevez on 7m, it disrupts the entire system. What would stand in the way of Vidal asking to have the same salary in two seasons time? He certainly deserves it as much if not more than Tevez. Then follows Chiellini and Bonucci (if he keeps evolving). I understand your passion and thrive to want to make the club succeed, but we have to work within certain boundaries if we're to make any progress at all. Pissing it all away just because Tevez is on the market will do us terrible harm in a macro perspective, with some micro turnout.

 

[Vlad]

No.

Those were consequences of Secco's previous actions. We would indeed bankrupted.

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InterDestroyer, i will now connect to the great 'informational space channel' (or how the fuck else David Icke calls this shit) and will send you a great magical respect for the great post! =)

DP84 How about that????!!! Ha???!!!

 

[ZoSo]

Why do I bother discussing this with you if you're just going to ignore everything I say and continue rambling down your own avenue?

If we sign Jovetic for 30m, Higuain for 35 or Tevez for 18 and 7m wages I will be furious, damn straight. We suffered because of idiotic transfers in the past and only did we start exiting that slump recently. But we won't sign any of them, not on those terms - which is exactly why Marotta is the perfect man for his job at the moment. He's building a very competitive squad without putting our existence into question. We only survived the Secco era because of massive cash injections, otherwise we would have been BANKRUPT - do you understand that?

World class:
Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, Lewandowski, Van Persie, Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Bale, Cavani, Suarez, Aguero

LOL... I don't think you've ever watched Tevez play if you think he doesn't belong in that list and Benzema does.

 

[TheLaz]

I think Teves is just as good as anyone you mentioned in the world class category except messi and ronaldo

Tell me why you think so? The past two years he's ben inconsistent and a troublemaker. Anyone of the listed world class players have a least 20 goals to their name this past season and that's what defines world class. Tevez has been benched and out of favor for far too long. Two years ago I might have considered him WC but right now he's not. Simple logics, mate..

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LOL... I don't think you've ever watched Tevez play if you think he doesn't belong in that list and Benzema does.

I had my doubts with Benzema. He and Bale are doubtful I agree... According to your logics Maradona and Pele are still world class, even if they haven't performed in recent years just like Tevez.........

 

[Nzoric]

Those were consequences of Secco's previous actions. We would indeed bankrupted.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand. By the end of the 10/11 season we would've been fucked if Exxor didn't drop a gigantic sum of money at the front door.

I wonder, all these people advocating the big moves out of some idea of what Juventus is and what we should be - is there no shame in relying on outside investors? Where is the pride in being able to win two scudetti and reach the QF's while maintaining financial stability and an image of a healthy club? We don't see none of that praise, all we see is infantile bitches throwing fits because they can't have a cool name on the back of their fucking jersey. Maggots

 

[ZoSo]

You know what's funny? Tevez pretty much has shit over every club he's ever played for. You like him and see him as WC fine. I never did. Apart from that he's 29 with huge wages demands and rather fickle.

What about Anelka? He played for like 10 clubs and we still signed him... there goes your argument.

Nedved was 30. Tevez is one of the best players in the world, not many players can combine the amount of skill and workrate he has.

InterDestroyer, i will now connect to the great 'informational space channel' (or how the fuck else David Icke calls this shit) and will send you a great magical respect for the great post! =)

DP84 How about that????!!! Ha???!!!

Yes....

Obviously you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be advocating moves like these which would put our stability on the line. If we sign Tevez for 7m, suddenly we have a new wage cap. All the players Marotta signed thus far certainly knew that 4.5 is the most they could ever make at Juventus and accepted to that. If we sign Tevez on 7m, it disrupts the entire system. What would stand in the way of Vidal asking to have the same salary in two seasons time? He certainly deserves it as much if not more than Tevez. Then follows Chiellini and Bonucci (if he keeps evolving). I understand your passion and thrive to want to make the club succeed, but we have to work within certain boundaries if we're to make any progress at all. Pissing it all away just because Tevez is on the market will do us terrible harm in a macro perspective, with some micro turnout.

Definitely this will happen

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I had my doubts with Benzema. He and Bale are doubtful I agree... According to your logics Maradona and Pele are still world class, even if they haven't performed in recent years just like Tevez.........

Maradona and Pele are still playing top level WC football? because that's my logic

 

[Vlad]

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand. By the end of the 10/11 season we would've been fucked if Exxor didn't drop a gigantic sum of money at the front door.

I wonder, all these people advocating the big moves out of some idea of what Juventus is and what we should be - is there no shame in relying on outside investors? Where is the pride in being able to win two scudetti and reach the QF's while maintaining financial stability and an image of a healthy club? We don't see none of that praise, all we see is infantile bitches throwing fits because they can't have a cool name on the back of their fucking jersey. Maggots

They bailed us out on two occasions.

 

[ZoSo]

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand. By the end of the 10/11 season we would've been fucked if Exxor didn't drop a gigantic sum of money at the front door.

I wonder, all these people advocating the big moves out of some idea of what Juventus is and what we should be - is there no shame in relying on outside investors? Where is the pride in being able to win two scudetti and reach the QF's while maintaining financial stability and an image of a healthy club? We don't see none of that praise, all we see is infantile bitches throwing fits because they can't have a cool name on the back of their fucking jersey. Maggots

Because that's all there is to it Certainly nothing to do with higher ambitions.

 

[Vlad]

What about Anelka? He played for like 10 clubs and we still signed him... there goes your argument.

Nedved was 30. Tevez is one of the best players in the world, not many players can combine the amount of skill and workrate he has.

Can we bring Tevez for free and with 1M for wages? If so let's do it.
Nedved was a champion on and off the field. No need to bring him into this discussion.

 

[baggio]

Obviously you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be advocating moves like these which would put our stability on the line. If we sign Tevez for 7m, suddenly we have a new wage cap. All the players Marotta signed thus far certainly knew that 4.5 is the most they could ever make at Juventus and accepted to that. If we sign Tevez on 7m, it disrupts the entire system. What would stand in the way of Vidal asking to have the same salary in two seasons time? He certainly deserves it as much if not more than Tevez. Then follows Chiellini and Bonucci (if he keeps evolving). I understand your passion and thrive to want to make the club succeed, but we have to work within certain boundaries if we're to make any progress at all. Pissing it all away just because Tevez is on the market will do us terrible harm in a macro perspective, with some micro turnout.

Higuain and Tevez are going to earn close to a similar package. Llorente who has come off a fuck all season has already been made the team's highest earner. So I don't know what Vidal and Bonnucci and Chiellini will already be thinking? Apart from which Aguero and RvP had come close to/agreed terms with us, and those terms were created by Beppe himself, closer in reality to the 7m figure you talk about for Tevez. What you are advocating is a defense for deals that may hypothetically fail, when in reality the same man that you have said is good for us is the guy who offered those numbers in our previous failed bids.

 

[ZoSo]

Can we bring Tevez for free and with 1M for wages? If so let's do it.
Nedved was a champion on and off the field. No need to bring him into this discussion.

Does that even matter? Considering the mgmt likes to say they look at the 'whole player' that signing pretty much makes that null and void.

Ok, Ibra is 31 and is still the 3rd best player in the world.

Chiellini is 29 in 2 months. SELL.
Buffon is 35. SELL.
Barzagli is 32. SELL.
Lichtsteiner is 29. SELL.

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Higuain and Tevez are going to earn close to a similar package. Llorente who has come off a fuck all season has already been made the team's highest earner. So I don't know what Vidal and Bonnucci and Chiellini will already be thinking? Apart from which Aguero and RvP had come close to/agreed terms with us, and those terms were created by Beppe himself, closer in reality to the 7m figure you talk about for Tevez. What you are advocating is a defense for deals that may hypothetically fail, when in reality the same man that you have said is good for us is the guy who offered those numbers in our previous failed bids.

LOL @ Nzoric's argument now.

 

[Nzoric]

You're so incredibly stupid that it hurts to read your posts.

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Higuain and Tevez are going to earn close to a similar package. Llorente who has come off a fuck all season has already been made the team's highest earner. So I don't know what Vidal and Bonnucci and Chiellini will already be thinking? Apart from which Aguero and RvP had come close to/agreed terms with us, and those terms were created by Beppe himself, closer in reality to the 7m figure you talk about for Tevez. What you are advocating is a defense for deals that may hypothetically fail, when in reality the same man that you have said is good for us is the guy who offered those numbers in our previous failed bids.

Stop assuming that what the press write is true, they have positively no way of knowing what wages we agreed - and if we agreed to anything - with RVP and Aguero.

Llorente might be the highest earner of the team, but he's within the wage cap set by management. When we signed him he was definitely worthy of that wage and will probably be again.