Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (41 Viewers)

[Nostradamus]

We should look to players who are young and who are strong in every way (creative, strong, technical).. Players don't have 2 cost 30 million.. Players like Draxler and Kevin De Bruyne are great players and will not cost 25 million of something like that...

Wake up if you think you could get Draxler for cheap. I can guarantee you that Schalke wouldnt accept that 25m and to think to get him even for less is just laughable. I also highly doubt that he is interested in moving to Serie A. BTW Schalke have already stated several times, that Draxler isnt for sale upcoming summer.

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For LB i got really impressed with Ricardo Rodriguez from Wolfsburg, but that was only one match (vs. Bayer) this guy is just 20 years old and already played 11 matches for Swiss national team. Any opinions on this fella?

He is indeed a promising youngster, but why should Wolfsburg sell him? Wolfsburg paid 7,5m and he has contract until 2016 and they dont need money at all due to VW and they are known for not letting their players leave easily. I would not say its impossible to get him, but I cant see him moving clubs soon.

 

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[Albo]

I wish we had Verrati

 

[alexjuventino]

It would be 4231 than. Not that I'm against it but I remember last season 433 and that was some nice football back than. Pirlo is not a problem for now. In a season or two I hope Pogba can replace him but right now he is our catalyst. I see other problems such as Vucinic having one good game out of every three, other strikers can't hold the ball under pressure, formation 352 is leaving us exposed against big European sides, Marchisio was invible in both games, we lack proper LB. I would resolve all those issues before I would think about Pirlo.

Im just looking for a change of formation, i want anything other than a 3-5-2 i always didnt liek it

 

[TheLaz]

I think it's time for Conte to select a formation for himself and look away from what players he's got in the squad. No matter how good signings this summer will bring, we're still fucked if we meet Bayern next year. 3-5-2 is good in Serie A but it suck big time internationally..

Why not copy Bayerns style of play?

Llorente
Giovinco Vucinic Sanchez
Marchisio Vidal
Asamoah Chiellini Barzagli Lichsteiner
Buffon

Llorente
Giovinco Sanchez Pepe
Marchisio Vidal
Peluso Chiellini Barzagli Lichsteiner
Buffon​

If/when Pirlo does not deliver his dangerous through balls he's sort of useless and the entire team becomes useless. Our wide players dont get the ball and when they do, the crosses reach none since everyone is thinking about defending as well. With 4 players focused on attacking only, you'll see a dominating team with possession and shots on goal. Pirlo slows the tempo - and a team of good individuals won't benefit from this

 

[alexjuventino]

I think it's time for Conte to select a formation for himself and look away from what players he's got in the squad. No matter how good signings this summer will bring, we're still $#@!ed if we meet Bayern next year. 3-5-2 is good in Serie A but it suck big time internationally..

Why not copy Bayerns style of play?

Llorente
Giovinco Vucinic Sanchez
Marchisio Vidal
Asamoah Chiellini Barzagli Lichsteiner
Buffon

Llorente
Giovinco Sanchez Pepe
Marchisio Vidal
Peluso Chiellini Barzagli Lichsteiner
Buffon​

We a need proper lb. Asamoah isnt one. Asamoah really doesnt offer anything going forward

 

[Vlad]

Im just looking for a change of formation, i want anything other than a 3-5-2 i always didnt liek it

Neither did I. That formation was never my favourite one but you got to understand Conte. He figured out Bonucci is an error prone defender and can't play as one of the two CB's, we lack proper LB since Zambrotta and there aren't many opportunities on a market so 3 men defense was logical choice, Pirlo on the other hand can't play in two men midfield because of his physical characteristics which he realized rather quickly hence Vidal was given an opportunity, our attack was sterile at times even when we played an excellent football we just couldn't score and opponents would take advantage of it so he introduced two forwards to put more pressure on defense. He did the best with the team available and I think that 352 is just another transitional tactics.
Conte

 

[GarfielD]

We need Ibra, decent starter LWB (move Asa in CM to challenge Marchi), CB (Diakite, Astori, Doria, Benatia), promising CM (Verratti, Bonaventura, Poli).

Buffon
(Storari)
Barza - Bonucci - Giorgio
(Caceres) - (Benatia) - (Peluso)
Lich - Vidal - Pirlo - Marchi - Santon/Kolarov
(Isla) - (Pogba) - (Verratti) - (Asamoah) - (Padoin)
Ibra - Llorente
(Mirko) - (Seba)​

Sell DC, Quag, Pepe, Matri, Melo, Ziegler. Sent back Bendtner, Anelka and loan out Marrone. Keep Giacc for rotation.

 

[TheLaz]

Neither did I. That formation was never my favourite one but you got to understand Conte. He figured out Bonucci is an error prone defender and can't play as one of the two CB's, we lack proper LB since Zambrotta and there aren't many opportunities on a market so 3 men defense was logical choice, Pirlo on the other hand can't play in two men midfield because of his physical characteristics which he realized rather quickly hence Vidal was given an opportunity, our attack was sterile at times even when we played an excellent football we just couldn't score and opponents would take advantage of it so he introduced two forwards to put more pressure on defense. He did the best with the team available and I think that 352 is just another transitional tactics.

Conte

True! So true. If Bonucci keeps on fucking it up in a two-cb defense he isn't good enough. I say we sell him and sign a ball playing CB like Astori, Ogbonna etc..

 

[Gian]

I can show you how our team will look like next season, its just so predictable:

Buffon
Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini
Lichtsteiner Vidal Pirlo Marchisio Peluso
Diamanti - Llorente

Buffon
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Peluso
Vidal Pirlo Marchisio
Diamanti Llorente Vuc/Gio​

Llorente, Diamanti, Poli, Berardi in. Maybe a solid defender like Ogbonna.

And that's our mercato. Around 30M spent, but that's all we can do with our financial troubles.

We wont sign Diamanti, just no.

 

[Robee]

Why not copy Bayerns style of play?

Because that would close the gap on Bayern ? Get a grip.

They have mastered it. We are mastering our own thing. Be patient and don't change every time we lose a game or 2... We can never ever win against Bayern by emulating them...
We have no Ribéry, no Robben, no Kroos, no Muller...

 

[TheLaz]

Because that would close the gap on Bayern ? Get a grip.

They have mastered it. We are mastering our own thing. Be patient and don't change every time we lose a game or 2... We can never ever win against Bayern by emulating them...
We have no Ribéry, no Robben, no Kroos, no Muller...

But we potentially have a better defense. We have a better midfield. We have players such as Giovinco, Pepe and Vucinic. It's on a different level, but Pepe can be dangerous to any team in the world. And when Giovinco gets more space out wide he can become sort of the player Ribery is for Bayern. Keeping faith in the 3-5-2 and you'll have to sign tons of new players to raise the quality of this squad.
RWB, LWB, CB, ST, SS, CDM

 

[alexjuventino]

Neither did I. That formation was never my favourite one but you got to understand Conte. He figured out Bonucci is an error prone defender and can't play as one of the two CB's, we lack proper LB since Zambrotta and there aren't many opportunities on a market so 3 men defense was logical choice, Pirlo on the other hand can't play in two men midfield because of his physical characteristics which he realized rather quickly hence Vidal was given an opportunity, our attack was sterile at times even when we played an excellent football we just couldn't score and opponents would take advantage of it so he introduced two forwards to put more pressure on defense. He did the best with the team available and I think that 352 is just another transitional tactics.
Conte

I see what you mean but Conte shouldnt be forcing himself to play this formation that really only works aganist teams who dont know how to press and counter the formation. In a 4-3-3 Pirlo can play and honestly what does Bonucci contribute to our game that makes him an essential player? He has his long balls and other than that he just is a defender who is always caught out. Look at bayerns goal yesterday, he should have been marking mandzukic and he didnt. In a 4-3-3 or fomration like it, it gives us more width and we can have that overlapping play from the fullbacks and the wingers. With the 3-5-2 we dont have much width because for any wingback its hard to take on 2 players. Bonucci could be a back up cb or maybe we could even try to play bonucci in front of the defence just an idea. All our players are more than capable of playing in a 4-3-3 where as some of our players arent. Such as Licht, Asa, and Marrone who are being played out of position. I dont see why cant Conte just play these players in their strongest positions and play with a formation that provides a more width play and crossing play.

I dont understand how a 3-5-2 is more attacking than a 4-3-3 or a formation along those lines. With a 3-5-2 you obviously have 3 cbs who on some occassions press higher up the field, but you also have Pirlo who has been playing in a more free role recently but other than those couple moments and games Pirlo is infront of the defence. So that leaves you with 4 players sitting in the back while the 6 other players are attacking. However with a 4-3-3 not only are your midfielders, attackers and wingers going forward but you also have the fullbacks making those runs along the flanks. So that leaves us with only 2 players back which them being the cbs.

I think its time for Conte to change his tactics. I also love how all of a sudden everyone thinks that solely based on the fact that we were outpreformed by the Cl Favorites. The Bayern game was probably the one which showed people how tactically limited Conte is. We need the change and Conte should be demanding transfers in the summer to make the 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-3-1 work. We NEED a LB,SS, and some wingers. It seems so simple but it will cost us alot

 

[I am John]

Please dont start comparing Gio, Pepe, and Vucinic to the likes of Robben (well I actually think he is shit), Ribery, and Mueller. Gio will never be as good as Ribery in his worst days, Pepe is too limited, and Vucinic, while I admire him a lot, is really inconsistent.

Pulling a 433 with mediocres wont give you the same results as when you have superstars.

 

[Joe]

We wont sign Diamanti, just no.

If its not Diamanti, it will be someone of Diamanti's calibre.

If we get incredibly lucky, maybe we'll get Sanchez.

 

[Robee]

But we potentially have a better defense. We have a better midfield. We have players such as Giovinco, Pepe and Vucinic. It's on a different level, but Pepe can be dangerous to any team in the world. And when Giovinco gets more space out wide he can become sort of the player Ribery is for Bayern. Keeping faith in the 3-5-2 and you'll have to sign tons of new players to raise the quality of this squad.
RWB, LWB, CB, ST, SS, CDM

A better defence ? They have Lahm & Alaba... So that balances out their lack in CBs easily.
A better midfield ? As was seen in both games, I presume ?
And in no way are Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic even close to what Bayern has.

Changing formation (again) is what would would force us to change numerous positions once again... In a 3-5-2 with 4-3-3 as a plan B we'd need about 3 players. Continuity is important and keep faith in a few players, for instance Isla.

ST= Llorente.
RWB = not needed.
CB = only a backup needed
CM = Poli

SS, LWB = what we need.

 

[TheLaz]

I see what you mean but Conte shouldnt be forcing himself to play this formation that really only works aganist teams who dont know how to press and counter the formation. In a 4-3-3 Pirlo can play and honestly what does Bonucci contribute to our game that makes him an essential player? He has his long balls and other than that he just is a defender who is always caught out. Look at bayerns goal yesterday, he should have been marking mandzukic and he didnt. In a 4-3-3 or fomration like it, it gives us more width and we can have that overlapping play from the fullbacks and the wingers. With the 3-5-2 we dont have much width because for any wingback its hard to take on 2 players. Bonucci could be a back up cb or maybe we could even try to play bonucci in front of the defence just an idea. All our players are more than capable of playing in a 4-3-3 where as some of our players arent. Such as Licht, Asa, and Marrone who are being played out of position. I dont see why cant Conte just play these players in their strongest positions and play with a formation that provides a more width play and crossing play.

I dont understand how a 3-5-2 is more attacking than a 4-3-3 or a formation along those lines. With a 3-5-2 you obviously have 3 cbs who on some occassions press higher up the field, but you also have Pirlo who has been playing in a more free role recently but other than those couple moments and games Pirlo is infront of the defence. So that leaves you with 4 players sitting in the back while the 6 other players are attacking. However with a 4-3-3 not only are your midfielders, attackers and wingers going forward but you also have the fullbacks making those runs along the flanks. So that leaves us with only 2 players back which them being the cbs.

I think its time for Conte to change his tactics. I also love how all of a sudden everyone thinks that solely based on the fact that we were outpreformed by the Cl Favorites. The Bayern game was probably the one which showed people how tactically limited Conte is. We need the change and Conte should be demanding transfers in the summer to make the 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-3-1 work. We NEED a LB,SS, and some wingers. It seems so simple but it will cost us alot

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[Robee]

I dont understand how a 3-5-2 is more attacking than a 4-3-3 or a formation along those lines. With a 3-5-2 you obviously have 3 cbs who on some occassions press higher up the field, but you also have Pirlo who has been playing in a more free role recently but other than those couple moments and games Pirlo is infront of the defence. So that leaves you with 4 players sitting in the back while the 6 other players are attacking. However with a 4-3-3 not only are your midfielders, attackers and wingers going forward but you also have the fullbacks making those runs along the flanks. So that leaves us with only 2 players back which them being the cbs.

What exatly makes you think Pirlo wouldn't sit in front of the defence in a 4-3-3 as he has always done ?

 

[I am John]

If its not Diamanti, it will be someone of Diamanti's calibre.

If we get incredibly lucky, maybe we'll get Sanchez.

What Diamanti calibre? Another flashy mediocre?

A better defence ? They have Lahm & Alaba... So that balances out their lack in CBs easily.
A better midfield ? As was seen in both games, I presume ?
And in no way are Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic even close to what Bayern has.

Changing formation (again) is what would would force us to change numerous positions once again... In a 3-5-2 with 4-3-3 as a plan B we'd need about 3 players. Continuity is important and keep faith in a few players, for instance Isla.

ST= Llorente.
RWB = not needed.
CB = only a backup needed
CM = Poli

SS, LWB = what we need.

Agreed.

 

[TheLaz]

A better defence ? They have Lahm & Alaba... So that balances out their lack in CBs easily.
A better midfield ? As was seen in both games, I presume ?
And in no way are Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic even close to what Bayern has.

Changing formation (again) is what would would force us to change numerous positions once again...

In no way are Giovinco, Pepe and Vucinic close to the level of Bayerns' players. But don't fool yourself and believe Mandzukic is the best striker in the world. Coz that's sort of what you make him look like. And Ribery as the best winger along with Robben. No fkn way! They're good but not that good. It's no secret they have a better attack, but they too have a bigger attack. We should add a bunch of new attackers this summer. Starting with Llorente, we should add wingers of young age. Dribblers. Ball players.

 

[alexjuventino]

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A better defence ? They have Lahm & Alaba... So that balances out their lack in CBs easily.
A better midfield ? As was seen in both games, I presume ?
And in no way are Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic even close to what Bayern has.

Changing formation (again) is what would would force us to change numerous positions once again... In a 3-5-2 with 4-3-3 as a plan B we'd need about 3 players. Continuity is important and keep faith in a few players, for instance Isla.

ST= Llorente.
RWB = not needed.
CB = only a backup needed
CM = Poli

SS, LWB = what we need.

If we are looking to switch to a 4-3-3 why would we want a lwb we would need a lb. If we got a lwb it would only promote using a 3-5-2