Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (40 Viewers)

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baggio

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He's not good enough to carry the attack. Has been very inconsistent and wasteful, and I don't consider him a game changer. If his sale could mean pumping some of that money into game changing guys like Jovetic and Suarez, then why not? Offers very little in terms of end product and if Conte is seriously looking at the 352 as a viable alternative to the 433, then he's got little or no novelty value left. That said, it unlikely it'll happen. In fact, I'd be ok if we held on to our entire forward line and replace Borriello with Dzeko, Jovetic or Suarez. That is a possibility.
 

Gerd

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Dec 25, 2011
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He's not good enough to carry the attack. Has been very inconsistent and wasteful, and I don't consider him a game changer. If his sale could mean pumping some of that money into game changing guys like Jovetic and Suarez, then why not? Offers very little in terms of end product and if Conte is seriously looking at the 352 as a viable alternative to the 433, then he's got little or no novelty value left. That said, it unlikely it'll happen. In fact, I'd be ok if we held on to our entire forward line and replace Borriello with Dzeko, Jovetic or Suarez. That is a possibility.
Vucinic has never carried the attack alone even in roma . The one that did that was totti most of the time , but with totti vucinic has played very good and roma has even refused 20 mil for him around that time . He is not a game changer if you want a game changer put it on the right at pepe's place and put as a striker someone with decent tecnique that can do a simple exchange and you will see that mirko's game will improve a lot . No wonder he plays best when del piero has been a striker they speak the same language , differently from the likes of matri borrielo who can't even make a decent stop of the ball.
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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I think the question was for what price you'd be ready to let our players go not if anyone would pay that. I'd sell Matri for 17.5 (that's what we paid?) for example, would be dumb to get rid of him with losses, he's a good player. I would sell Vucinic for anything over 10 millions, if we would get a star striker he'd only get in his way with his off target shots and turnovers.
 

Dostoevsky

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So what you're saying is, if a 12m offer for Matri came, you'd sell him without thinking twice?
Depends on who do we buy instead and who's the guy on the bench. Matri is a good rotation player IMO, there's no need to sell him at this point. Not just rotation, but at this point when we're playing 4-3-3 he should be starting.

But as for his value, I would say he's worth less than 15mln, yeah. There's no way any club would consider to bid 20mln for him at the moment.
 

Dostoevsky

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A top striker who's gonna bang in goals is a MUST next season and we'll be damn good. Signing Jovetic would be amazing, but we cannot really afford to sign him and place Mirko on the bench. Players like Benzema, Higuain or Cavani are the ones we should go after. And we kinda need a RW too, bar Pepe we don't have a strong player to rely on there.
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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Depends on who do we buy instead and who's the guy on the bench. Matri is a good rotation player IMO, there's no need to sell him at this point. Not just rotation, but at this point when we're playing 4-3-3 he should be starting.

But as for his value, I would say he's worth less than 15mln, yeah. There's no way any club would consider to bid 20mln for him at the moment.
Well there's no need to sell Marchisio either, but I think I'd sell him if 35m offer came in (even if I don't think anyone would pay over 20m for Claudio), as you see true value and value you'd sell for differ. In Matri's case I think the true value would be somewhere around 12m and I'd sell him for the sum we paid (17.5 iirc). So we kinda agree.
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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A top striker who's gonna bang in goals is a MUST next season and we'll be damn good. Signing Jovetic would be amazing, but we cannot really afford to sign him and place Mirko on the bench. Players like Benzema, Higuain or Cavani are the ones we should go after. And we kinda need a RW too, bar Pepe we don't have a strong player to rely on there.
we can just play jovetic up front.

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He's not good enough to carry the attack. Has been very inconsistent and wasteful, and I don't consider him a game changer. If his sale could mean pumping some of that money into game changing guys like Jovetic and Suarez, then why not? Offers very little in terms of end product and if Conte is seriously looking at the 352 as a viable alternative to the 433, then he's got little or no novelty value left. That said, it unlikely it'll happen. In fact, I'd be ok if we held on to our entire forward line and replace Borriello with Dzeko, Jovetic or Suarez. That is a possibility.
how isn't he a game changer, i don't get it. we're in the coppa final because of him. he's a moody player, but he's definitely a game changer.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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In ana ideal world we would replace Vucinic, he's no game changer, any player would look excpetionnal for a strech of 2/3 games, it's consistency that matter. We don't need him to have a milan like performance every game but just a solid one, the problem with Mirko is that if he's not playing exceptionally well, he's sucking, there's no middle ground, and you only get those exceptionnal performances 5/6 times a year and that's not good enough.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Vucinic is not a game changer, he never has been in his career, being a game changer means being so somewhat consistent at it, not odd games of that or a hot streak. He is a complimentary player to use next to quality star player(s), not be that himself, you just gonna be hella underwhelmed if you expect that. Or for him to suddenly become something he hasnt been when he is 29. His productivity is extremely low for someone who is supposed to be the go-to-guy for a teams attack.
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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I don't think he's a type of striker who'd bang in many goals. He's like a LW forward or a SS, or even AMC type of player that provides an extra spark of creativity and deadly technique. He'd be a guarantee quality addition IMO but not as a lone striker in 4-3-3.
he isn't the stationary striker. using him in a trident would see him moving out on the flanks, opening a spot for vucinic / the rw to run into the box. i'd like to see the movement with vucinic on lw and jovetic in the middle. the only thing we shouldn't do is to put jovetic on the rw.
 

Gerd

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Dec 25, 2011
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Vucinic is not a game changer, he never has been in his career, being a game changer means being so somewhat consistent at it, not odd games of that or a hot streak. He is a complimentary player to use next to quality star player(s), not be that himself, you just gonna be hella underwhelmed if you expect that. Or for him to suddenly become something he hasnt been when he is 29. His productivity is extremely low for someone who is supposed to be the go-to-guy for a teams attack.
I agree , still i think that with a good striker which can make exchanges with him , one-twos , he would have done much more .
 
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