Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (43 Viewers)

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Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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A foreign starter defender and a couple of crappy Italian fillers would do, but we must make up for the mistakes we did in the summer transfer window, by prioritizing the defense now!

I would be extra happy if we try for once, not to buy yet another SS or CM !
For 6 consecutive years we are committing the same mistake twice a year, lets hope that we have wizened up...
What mistakes last year? The only mistake is that we didn't get a CB, we didn't get any unnecessary players.
 

mabuchaq

Junior Member
Nov 30, 2011
240
A foreign starter defender and a couple of crappy Italian fillers would do, but we must make up for the mistakes we did in the summer transfer window, by prioritizing the defense now!

I would be extra happy if we try for once, not to buy yet another SS or CM !
For 6 consecutive years we are committing the same mistake twice a year, lets hope that we have wizened up...
I've not been following the forums for a long time, and you're the first poster I memorised. You keep on whining about this.
The part in bold, I've seen from you at least 10 times in the last 2-3 days.
I think you should chill, we're winning and 2 very important factors of our current form is 2 CMs and one SS we bought this season.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,877
I've not been following the forums for a long time, and you're the first poster I memorised. You keep on whining about this.
The part in bold, I've seen from you at least 10 times in the last 2-3 days.
I think you should chill, we're winning and 2 very important factors of our current form is 2 CMs and one SS we bought this season.
Logic is the kryptonite of Cronios
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
A foreign starter defender and a couple of crappy Italian fillers would do, but we must make up for the mistakes we did in the summer transfer window, by prioritizing the defense now!

I would be extra happy if we try for once, not to buy yet another SS or CM !
For 6 consecutive years we are committing the same mistake twice a year, lets hope that we have wizened up...
The problem was never what positions we have bought, its who we bought and kept buying that was the problem. We wouldn't have had to buy so many CMs & SS's if they had got it right the first time.

Examples: Motta, Amauri, Poulsen, Toni, IQ, etc. Had we bought Xabi instead of Poulsen, Licht earlier on instead of Motta, we may be whisteling a different tune altogether.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Marotta, please get Tevez!!!!

I think people are not thinking about this properly. We can't let Milan get another bargain, like Ibra and Cassano. This guy will go on a cheap. And we can't forget he's a world class striker.

People say he's a bad influence in the lockeroom, but I don't buy it. This problem with Mancini, we all know how stupid and stubborn Mancini is, it's hard to tell whose fault it is.

And I think he can fit the scheme, replacing Vucinic or Matri. Come on, this guy is one of the best, still young and on a cheap... can't miss this opportunity... unfortunately, Marotta has already said they aren't going for him. What a shame.
Tevez is tired of football, just like Dinho was, he is only interest for a last cash in in Europe before he returns home and then starts his lifetime vacation.
You can see it in his that football does not longer brings him any satisfaction.
Milan sa real chances to win titles, even without his help and can afford to pay huge salaries, just for the sake of it.

We cant, we need players willing to fight a lost cause, against better teams, the refs, the media, the pre-justices, the Italian federation, the collective efforts of our enemies, the background, everyone. And even if we win, there is little glory on that, as most of the shadow opposition will never admit an interference officially.

At this age, at this stage, it is virtually impossible for us to motivate a player that feels that he has no purpose to play for.
We cannot afford such a wild bet, we have certain needs that need and can be addressed cost effectively (a LB CB foreign starter)
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I've not been following the forums for a long time, and you're the first poster I memorised. You keep on whining about this.
The part in bold, I've seen from you at least 10 times in the last 2-3 days.
I think you should chill, we're winning and 2 very important factors of our current form is 2 CMs and one SS we bought this season.
He has the right idea, I will give him that but it isn't about buying CMs/SSs, its who we bought in the past, mistakes by the BoD obviously and past coaches. If he were to stay that once or twice people might take him seriously.
 

mabuchaq

Junior Member
Nov 30, 2011
240
He has the right idea, I will give him that but it isn't about buying CMs/SSs, its who we bought in the past, mistakes by the BoD obviously and past coaches. If he were to stay that once or twice people might take him seriously.
A lot of factors affected our bad seasons, other than mistakes in mercato. Like bad selection of coaches, our bad luck with injuries, etc...
Take the season where we got Diego and Melo and imagine we had Conte instead of Ferrara, and our team was not swarmed with injuries, what would've been the season like?

I think it was mistake we didn't get a proper LB this season but still all those who we got were needed and probably the best options.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
I've not been following the forums for a long time, and you're the first poster I memorised. You keep on whining about this.
The part in bold, I've seen from you at least 10 times in the last 2-3 days.
I think you should chill, we're winning and 2 very important factors of our current form is 2 CMs and one SS we bought this season.
Hey welcome aboard, you will soon find out that logic can be easily overlook in here, if there isnt a voice of reason to repeat the same things.
We have a tendency to forget our mistakes and repeat them, EACH and EVERY year.
It may sound hilarious at the beginning, but after 6 consecutive seasons of repeating the very same mistakes and learn nothing from them, it isnt!

The mistakes we committed were painfully obvious for me, BEFORE we committed, as i objected even to their eventuality as we were considering them, i ve explained in great detail, why it is the wrong procedure and where it will inevitably lead us.
But we just did it anyway, it led us where it would obviously pointed out and then we just repeated the same mistake again and again and again.

Sorry that i just cant stand besides and see us hitting our face on the very same wall again and again and again, sorry for trying to speak about an alternative path, the side step that would allow us to go forward, or at least save us from reaching the very same no way outs again.

It is painfully obvious now again, that we need some defensive and left flank reinforcements, the attack and midfield are working well.
Further boosting them and further ignoring our actual issues, that affect us in each and every match game, without ifs and maybes, is just stupid...

If we solve our problems, i wont mind Montolivo and any other nonsense transfer we can think off, but i just dont want to see us walking circles for the 7th consecutive time.
There was a 5 years plansdestined to fail for specific reasons, from the very first day it was announced, it did fail for the obvious reasons, it is now the time to change strategy and start a different approach or at least make an effort to keep a balanced attitude.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
A lot of factors affected our bad seasons, other than mistakes in mercato. Like bad selection of coaches, our bad luck with injuries, etc...
Take the season where we got Diego and Melo and imagine we had Conte instead of Ferrara, and our team was not swarmed with injuries, what would've been the season like?

I think it was mistake we didn't get a proper LB this season but still all those who we got were needed and probably the best options.
Yep. Our past coaches have been fails. Not sure what Conte would have done with Diego/Melo back then, but we have who we have now do to Conte's requests and we are in first.

Cronios wants to live in the past, that's his choice. The problems in the past were the players we bought, not the positions we filled (or refilled). We could have had the best defense in Serie A but we wouldn't have won shit with Poulsen/Aquilani/Melo/Amauri/Iaquinta/Diego/Toni/Candreva/Sissoko/Krasic with the coaches we had. Now you take some names out and insert the new ones we bought this year, you have a completely different story. Even though we filled the same positions and took out the ones that won't do anything for us.

And for the record, our defense has been fantastic this season minus a few bonucci errors and a couple bad games from Chiellini (and now he is on fire). Licht/Barzagli have been absolutely fantastic from day 1. I don't really know what Cron is on about.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Hey welcome aboard, you will soon find out that logic can be easily overlook in here, if there isnt a voice of reason to repeat the same things.
We have a tendency to forget our mistakes and repeat them, EACH and EVERY year.
It may sound hilarious at the beginning, but after 6 consecutive seasons of repeating the very same mistakes and learn nothing from them, it isnt!

The mistakes we committed were painfully obvious for me, BEFORE we committed, as i objected even to their eventuality as we were considering them, i ve explained in great detail, why it is the wrong procedure and where it will inevitably lead us.
But we just did it anyway, it led us where it would obviously pointed out and then we just repeated the same mistake again and again and again.

Sorry that i just cant stand besides and see us hitting our face on the very same wall again and again and again, sorry for trying to speak about an alternative path, the side step that would allow us to go forward, or at least save us from reaching the very same no way outs again.

It is painfully obvious now again, that we need some defensive and left flank reinforcements, the attack and midfield are working well.Further boosting them and further ignoring our actual issues, that affect us in each and every match game, without ifs and maybes, is just stupid...

If we solve our problems, i wont mind Montolivo and any other nonsense transfer we can think off, but i just dont want to see us walking circles for the 7th consecutive time.
There was a 5 years plansdestined to fail for specific reasons, from the very first day it was announced, it did fail for the obvious reasons, it is now the time to change strategy and start a different approach or at least make an effort to keep a balanced attitude.
These are players we bought that you told us we didn't need to buy anymore!! YOU KNOW CM's AND STRIKERS!?!?!


:sergio:
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
The problem was never what positions we have bought, its who we bought and kept buying that was the problem. We wouldn't have had to buy so many CMs & SS's if they had got it right the first time.

Examples: Motta, Amauri, Poulsen, Toni, IQ, etc. Had we bought Xabi instead of Poulsen, Licht earlier on instead of Motta, we may be whisteling a different tune altogether.
There is a degree of truth in that, but our problem is a bit more complicated than that.
There are a number of certain patterns we have followed to reach the path we did.
Our priorities was Ital-Juve over competitive Juve.
Quantity > quality.
Spectacle over results.
Sort terms delusional promises and wild risks over steady but sure steps of building up a competitive team.

The names we choose respected those parameters, the reasons they have failed were obvious.
We took the winning formula Juve had for decades and reverted it, just by knowing and respecting our history, we could have avoided all those mistakes.
Just by learning from the mistakes, we have failed to avoid, we could have found our way back 3-4 years sooner.

We were just lucky with Conte, he was yet another wild bet, but luckily for us, the man knows what he is doing, he is the main reason we have better results now, not that Quaq, Melo and Diego were worse than Vucinic, Vidal and Pepe.

Of course by avoiding the mistakes we made on the names, we would have done better, obviously, thats an optimal situation.
But even for a management as stupid as ours, who cant just get everything right, after so many gambles, one is destined to work at decent way.
By systematically spending all our cash on the same 2 positions and systematically neglecting to invest on the 3 positions we are suffering the most, its is practically impossible for a mentally challenged management, like we have, to get it right.

They players we got were underperforming because of the coaches, now they overpefrorm.
The management have won the jackbot with Conte. But this cant justify their mistakes.
Those ppl are still there, and are still very dangerous! They are still ready to commit the same mistakes!
Because they never followed reasoning, when they were investing 25mil on a player that were selling for 10 at the next year, only to replace him with yet another 25mil player and then again sell him out or even worse loan him until his contract expires.
The stupidity has to stop!

A 25mil player, is still better than a 5mil player, even at his worst.
Sharing the money throughout our team, relatively balanced, would avoid the balanced we were facing.
See this as the manual, of "how to build a team for the completely mentally retarded FC heritages"...
simple things, simple but logical things, you ve spent 250 mil on SSs and CMs, now try to spend 10-20-30mil on LB and LM


We might need extra depth of a 6 CM for the 2 places we have, get loan Cadevra like player, a free Piazenza like or more Marrone like youngsters.
Since the starters are working, the subs are more than enough, try to mess with that balance, just because Montolivo took a call for the NT, only because Fiorentina still has some prestige in her...

Instead of wasting time and resources over there, focus at selling Amauri, before his contract expires and club loses all the 25mil we paid to get him.
Try to do smth about our defense, as its obvious that the last Italian hope, Bonucci, just cannot cope with the task.
Think about we it is better to use a versatile CM, to do the job of a LM and reconsider the choices you made on this department, that doesnt seem to work as intended.
Simple, small and logical steps.
Do that firsts and if you have cash to spare, buy 3 Montolivos spend 1 week in the Alps with Tevez, trying to convince him not to quit football, i dont mind, just dont prioritize the stupidities, before our obvious needs.
And for the love of Moggi, not for the 13th consecutive time!
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Saying that Amuari was dribbling striker was just too funny to me. :lol: He doesnt what he's talking about.
just read the first pages of his thread and see what was our forumers drooling for when his first season with us started,
see who was criticizing him and for what during all that season and even before we got him.
then come back and be smartass you are trying to be...

(or just make another account and post the same crappy mocking one liners...)
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
There is a degree of truth in that, but our problem is a bit more complicated than that.
There are a number of certain patterns we have followed to reach the path we did.
Our priorities was Ital-Juve over competitive Juve.
Quantity > quality.
Spectacle over results.
Sort terms delusional promises and wild risks over steady but sure steps of building up a competitive team.

The names we choose respected those parameters, the reasons they have failed were obvious.
We took the winning formula Juve had for decades and reverted it, just by knowing and respecting our history, we could have avoided all those mistakes.
Just by learning from the mistakes, we have failed to avoid, we could have found our way back 3-4 years sooner.

We were just lucky with Conte, he was yet another wild bet, but luckily for us, the man knows what he is doing, he is the main reason we have better results now, not that Quaq, Melo and Diego were worse than Vucinic, Vidal and Pepe.

Of course by avoiding the mistakes we made on the names, we would have done better, obviously, thats an optimal situation.
But even for a management as stupid as ours, who cant just get everything right, after so many gambles, one is destined to work at decent way.
By systematically spending all our cash on the same 2 positions and systematically neglecting to invest on the 3 positions we are suffering the most, its is practically impossible for a mentally challenged management, like we have, to get it right.

They players we got were underperforming because of the coaches, now they overpefrorm.
The management have won the jackbot with Conte. But this cant justify their mistakes.
Those ppl are still there, and are still very dangerous! They are still ready to commit the same mistakes!
Because they never followed reasoning, when they were investing 25mil on a player that were selling for 10 at the next year, only to replace him with yet another 25mil player and then again sell him out or even worse loan him until his contract expires.
The stupidity has to stop!

A 25mil player, is still better than a 5mil player, even at his worst.
Sharing the money throughout our team, relatively balanced, would avoid the balanced we were facing.
See this as the manual, of "how to build a team for the completely mentally retarded FC heritages"...
simple things, simple but logical things, you ve spent 250 mil on SSs and CMs, now try to spend 10-20-30mil on LB and LM


We might need extra depth of a 6 CM for the 2 places we have, get loan Cadevra like player, a free Piazenza like or more Marrone like youngsters.
Since the starters are working, the subs are more than enough, try to mess with that balance, just because Montolivo took a call for the NT, only because Fiorentina still has some prestige in her...

Instead of wasting time and resources over there, focus at selling Amauri, before his contract expires and club loses all the 25mil we paid to get him.
Try to do smth about our defense, as its obvious that the last Italian hope, Bonucci, just cannot cope with the task.
Think about we it is better to use a versatile CM, to do the job of a LM and reconsider the choices you made on this department, that doesnt seem to work as intended.
Simple, small and logical steps.
Do that firsts and if you have cash to spare, buy 3 Montolivos spend 1 week in the Alps with Tevez, trying to convince him not to quit football, i dont mind, just dont prioritize the stupidities, before our obvious needs.
And for the love of Moggi, not for the 13th consecutive time!
We will lose more than 25m on Amauri, by the way...please include his salaries. Also, Conte has more of a say on who he wants. I think if we win/get CL this year, that will be even more so with the BOD backing off a bit and just run the club, let Conte run the team.

DN/Ferrara/Zacheroni...they couldn't coach a high school team let alone us at the time.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Yep. Our past coaches have been fails. Not sure what Conte would have done with Diego/Melo back then, but we have who we have now do to Conte's requests and we are in first.

Cronios wants to live in the past, that's his choice. The problems in the past were the players we bought, not the positions we filled (or refilled). We could have had the best defense in Serie A but we wouldn't have won shit with Poulsen/Aquilani/Melo/Amauri/Iaquinta/Diego/Toni/Candreva/Sissoko/Krasic with the coaches we had. Now you take some names out and insert the new ones we bought this year, you have a completely different story. Even though we filled the same positions and took out the ones that won't do anything for us.

And for the record, our defense has been fantastic this season minus a few bonucci errors and a couple bad games from Chiellini (and now he is on fire). Licht/Barzagli have been absolutely fantastic from day 1. I don't really know what Cron is on about.
These are players we bought that you told us we didn't need to buy anymore!! YOU KNOW CM's AND STRIKERS!?!?!


:sergio:
From all my argumentation you just kept that?:disagree:
And even there you misunderstood it.

IMO Conte would have done the same, even with the players we had last year.
But as you said it, the seasons we have wasted are just done, there is no point at regretting.
I am not stuck at the past never was, i only use it to see how it will reflect to our future!

My concern is not to butcher Secco, Molinaro, DN or anyone else who made the crimes that were made to our cause.
My concern is NOT to repeat the SAME mistakes AGAIN!
Since the midfield and attack are now working, regardless if its the players, coach or anything between them.
The point is now that our management should just realize it and stop spending everything we have to replace them!
I just dont want to see us spending the 80% of our budget on CMs and SSs yet again!

I was pleased with what he have now and what we had earlier for the same reason.
Those positions were never the problem to begin with and should never be our priority for the next 2-3 transfer windows!
What was done is done, what was spent, it was spent, just start investing elsewhere from now on!
Simply thats all i am asking.

Every neutral football fan sees that our weakness lies in the defense and left flank, maybe as well at finishing the many chances we create.
This was our problem for the past five years.
Hopefully we will now realize it and dont replace our current CMs and SSs, but the other places that were systematically neglected.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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We will lose more than 25m on Amauri, by the way...please include his salaries. Also, Conte has more of a say on who he wants. I think if we win/get CL this year, that will be even more so with the BOD backing off a bit and just run the club, let Conte run the team.

DN/Ferrara/Zacheroni...they couldn't coach a high school team let alone us at the time.
Yea man i know, we have lost more than that and i dont blame anyone directly.
But its in our best interest to actually make a honest effort to minimize damages and sell him.
Just accord this matter more attention than Montolivo's caps and Tevez unrealistic dreams.

I sure hope that Conte has a say, i actually pray that he has, as the board are proven incompetent , beyond any doubt!
I also hopes he succeeds and force them with his success to obey his will, at least in a degree.
 
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