Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (32 Viewers)

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Zé Tahir

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I never said they lied about it. I was just questioning whether that number represented what they earned through sporting results, various marketing ventures, ticket sales, player sales, etc. or if they were given financial assistance.

That being said, I'm far from an expert when it comes to this stuff so I can only speculate. If Alen or someone with knowledge could shed light on this that'd be great.
 

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Xiven

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I never said they lied about it. I was just questioning whether that number represented what they earned through sporting results, various marketing ventures, ticket sales, player sales, etc. or if they were given financial assistance.

That being said, I'm far from an expert when it comes to this stuff so I can only speculate. If Alen or someone with knowledge could shed light on this that'd be great.
Don't speculate, research. I've done lots of research into the numbers for Madrid, Juventus, and other clubs which interest me.

The club was not given financial assistance. In 2010/11, the club's revenue was €440m (€40m more than Barcelona and €90m more than Manchester United), while the net spend on transfers was €72m. Madrid's financial model is the same one that Juventus should hope to replicate, perhaps, with less crazy spending.
 

WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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I can understand madrid making profit each year even though they manage to win nothing, sign the big players and make money off them. What i dont get is barca winning everything and still ending in debt every season. Its not like they spend a huge amount in transfers either.
 

Juve Libnan

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WΏΏdy;3197410 said:
I can understand madrid making profit each year even though they manage to win nothing, sign the big players and make money off them. What i dont get is barca winning everything and still ending in debt every season. Its not like they spend a huge amount in transfers either.
Mad Bonuses paid to clubs theyve bought players from for winning titles and also the massive bonuses that are earned by the staff and players for achieving those results is my guess
 

chester

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May 20, 2006
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We've spent 75 million so far. For 75 million we could have passed on Quag, Pepe, Matri and Licht and we could have gotten ourselves Mata(25m), Falcao(25m)Vucinic(15m) and Vidal(10.5). 75 million right there. And if we really are planning to spend more money on Vargas then we could use that money to sign Licht too. See how that team got so much better for the same amount of money? Our priorities are fucked up and now we're risking missing out on the Champions League yet again.
You are forgetting the wages we'd have to pay for them and the taxes in Italy so transfer fee wise, it might be correct, but wages wise, it would have costed us a lot more then it costs us now.
People saying stop the Marotta bashing are clearly forgetting the days when we had players such as Zidane, Canna, Thuram, Nedved, Trez, Camo etc.. That's the level we have to return to.. And by not pushing for this kind of deal (Aguero) we wont return to the glory ever. And please stop saying "we have no money"!!!
We have money, but we have no CL, no EL, not enough money to compete with teams like City for wages (12MEuro, that is what we pay this 3 players) and play in a league that is clearly loosing much attraction in the world of football. So of course players like Aguero will choose City (a team that plays CL, plays in an attractive league filled with star players, has the ability to pay 12MEuro/season and is clearly spending to become world class)
History doesn't matter to most of the players, so wake up and forget about the past with Zidane, Nedved, Canna or Thuram, history doesn't make you attractive anymore when more money is involved.
Since 2006 till now this club have wasted around 260 millions on players that we've brought. Imagine what kind of a team we could've created with that kind of money ?!

We keep saying we don't have money yet we've wasted that money on the likes of amauri, martinez, almiron...

Its not money what we lack, its the brains behind that money that doesn't exist in this club.
Amauri had a very good season before he signed for us, it was a risk, but it could have succeeded.
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I can't believe how some have not seen this obvious flaw with Juventus.

Regarding Marotta promising Kun, if I remember correctly he said that Juventus has a chance for him unless another club offers a lot more money.
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Too many "realists" selling Juve short on everything as though we are some sort of provincial club or something - "we can't buy this" "we can't afford that"

Wake up to yourselves - even after the calciopoli scandal, we are still one of the richest clubs in the world, top 10, and we have the largest support base in Italy and one of the largest world wide.

We CAN afford world class, but we simply don't have the skilled management to do so. We would rather buy a lot of average/above-average players and hope for a miracle.
We can afford the transfer fee, but we can't afford the wages (12Meuro/year for 5 seasons will cost us much more then it costs an EPL team), blame the taxes in Italy, I am sure if this wouldn't have been the case, we would have bought more big signings the last few seasons

Then stop buying

Molinaro
Motta
Grygera
Pepe
Tiago
Andrade
Zebina
Lanzafame
Martinez
Diego and sell in 1 year at massive loss
Rinaudo (WTHELL WAS THAT TRANFSER???)
And a long list of other rejects

Concentrate on a handful of top players - not a whole heap of wish washy rubbish
This might help, but you also need a bit of quantity, we have had periods of 10-12 players injured, in a season were you want to play for awards on 3 levels, you need backups, and this means taking a risk with unproven players, I am not saying all players on that list are understandable transfers, but surely some were worth the gamble.
 

ThirdStar

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Jul 5, 2011
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And Madrid and barca get 140m on TV deals alone. Ronaldo sells shirts too you know. Edit Yup, that's what I heard too Salvo, but was it ever confirmed by a source? That's insane
 

Catenaccio

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On finances....I wonder how much our increased attendances this year will boost revenues. I don't know what to assume for the average ticket price....but last year I think our average attendance was less than 20k per home game. Based on what we have seen on season ticket sales....attendances this year could average 30k per game. If I assume the average price of a ticket is EU100 and with say 19 home Serie games....that should generate just under EU20m in additional revenues. In reality the number should be higher as there will be other non Serie A matches (like Coppa Italia), other revenues such as rental income from shops etc and not having to pay the city council for the stadium.

Probably looking at the new stadium generating us an EXTRA EU30m per season. That doesn't sound like much.....but that could give us an extra EU20-30m in additional transfer budget from what we would normally spend per season. At least as of June 2010, Juve had EU37m in cash reserves and around EU32m in debt - i.e net cash. So financially, Juve is not in that bad a shape at least.

Man U is the richest club in the world....but some guy told me that if they had a really shocking season....say they came 8th or 9th...they could go under because they have such high debts....thats why they seldom break the bank on transfers.
 
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