Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (35 Viewers)

[Vini.Alarm]

Yeah I got it, and I agree. Rossi isn't as important to a team as Nedved (or the other signings in that pricerange) were - but with the inflation of prices, I think the realistic price for Rossi and his qualities is 30-35m E. My 2 cents anyways.

Paying 35 million for Rossi is outrageous, considering Aguero is available for about 5 million more.

 

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[baggio]

And then you add the transfer market at the time. The peerless Zidane moved for €48m, Moggi was dealing in high end stuff but that's what you can afford to do when you reach the top. I suppose IZ's point is that at that time Moggi was making a lot of these moves, and also some didn't come off. I'd say in that market €5m equates to about €10m now.

Marrotta has the chance to make a couple of these moves himself, but he's not able to be as effective. he's practically being spoon fed by the board to get it right with this cash injection. Moggi purely lived off sales off his own purchases and therefore was able to make the moves he did. And more importantly, got them right as his marquee signings.

 

[JuveJay]

Moves like Buffon, Thuram, Nedved? He can certainly go for big stars at smaller clubs, but it would be difficult to attract the equivalent right now.

 

[Nzoric]

Paying 35 million for Rossi is outrageous, considering Aguero is available for about 5 million more.

Which ATM club representative has openly stated they will sell below the clause? So far the official statements have all been that he will not be released below the 45m clause. Thats 10 million more right there, not considering the eventual bidding war that could start. Juventus vs Manchester City (if Tevez leaves) - yeah, our odds of getting Kun are spectacular!

 

[Ramin]

Rossi's true valuation is 20 million Euros.

 

[Red]

Rossi's true valuation is 20 million Euros.

 

[IrishZebra]

Analogy is way off IZ. Look at what each of those guys became. They ran the show for us. Each a leader in their position. Someing Rossi will not be, and certainly not at the expense of Melo and 25m, which imo equates to 40m. An amount that Moggi never paid, even for the above mentioned stalwarts. And when you choose to be a little more objective, you'll see Zinedine Zidane. Mauro Camoranesi and Fabio Cannavaro. So I'd hail the fuck out of Luciano.

40M euro on a left winger is some sort of master stroke?

Camoranesi is not in the same league as either Zidane or Cannavaro.

Zidane cost what £3.5Million in 1996? how much would he cost today? Same as Viera cost Arsenal IIRC

Cannavaro cost 23M in 2003

All this horse shit has to stop now, our best players were either expensive or youth products. Moggi bought quality but he wasn't as shrewd as every single fap-boy likes to think.

 

[Nzoric]

Marrotta has the chance to make a couple of these moves himself, but he's not able to be as effective. he's practically being spoon fed by the board to get it right with this cash injection. Moggi purely lived off sales off his own purchases and therefore was able to make the moves he did. And more importantly, got them right as his marquee signings.

Yes, and on a club economy which was thriving after European and domestic success in the 5 previous years.

 

[Nzoric]

Rossi's true valuation is 20 million Euros.

Now thats just unrealistic. Some people and their bias

 

[baggio]

40M euro on a left winger is some sort of master stroke?

Camoranesi is not in the same league as either Zidane or Cannavaro.

Zidane cost what £3.5Million in 1996? how much would he cost today? Same as Viera cost Arsenal IIRC

Cannavaro cost 23M in 2003

All this horse shit has to stop now, our best players were either expensive or youth products. Moggi bought quality but he wasn't as shrewd as every single fap-boy likes to think.

Dunno about you, but its pretty evident that 40m paid off like one. Camoranesi may not be in the same league as Zizou and Cannavaro as a player per se. But look at the value we got off his game for as little as 2m when we bought him? How is Zidane costing 3.5m and Viera costing Arsenal the same, in anyway an analogy of any kind? Cannavaro cost who 23m in 2003? He cost us, Fabio Carini or whatever that Uruguan third choice keeper's name is! Do you even have a point? And even if our best players were expensive, they weren't just our best players, they were some of the best players in all of Europe. Don't give me that shit. And if we lived off our youth then, its obviously thanks to someone with a little bit of vision. Where are our youth products today?? Moggi bought quality and was the guy Galliani always wanted to be. Shrewd is buying a player for 3.5m and selling him for 15 times that amount. I'm just hoping your definition of shrewd isnt buying an unproven Italian defender for 15m.

 

[baggio]

Now thats just unrealistic. Some people and their bias

He's closer to the figure than Villareal are. 20-24m is just about right IMO.

 

[Nzoric]

He's closer to the figure than Villareal are. 20-24m is just about right IMO.

Ok, is it safe to jump to the conclusion that you did not follow Villareal last season?

 

[IrishZebra]

My definition of shrewd is signing the best players you can for the least amount of money possible.

We are at this point as attractive as Sampdoria would have been to Zizou, and our fiscal health and world standing is akin to that of Sampdoria in 1996.

I suppose my overall motif is; Moggi couldn't get great players to join us, if we hired him tomorrow.

 

[Albo]

Rossi's true valuation is 20 million Euros.

 

[Ramin]

Now thats just unrealistic. Some people and their bias

If your a Liverpool transfers manager, that figure might look like a bargain.

Liverpool spending 85m E on Henderson, Carroll & Downing (almost official). 85,000,000 Euros! That's amazing figure for bunch of mediocre players!

 

[Kasaki]

My definition of shrewd is signing the best players you can for the least amount of money possible.

We are at this point as attractive as Sampdoria would have been to Zizou, and our fiscal health and world standing is akin to that of Sampdoria in 1996.

I suppose my overall motif is; Moggi couldn't get great players to join us, if we hired him tomorrow.

Funny..

 

[baggio]

Ok, is it safe to jump to the conclusion that you did not follow Villareal last season?

Followed them in Europe and marginally in Spain. To be honest, Nilmar is the man we should be after.

 

[IrishZebra]

Funny..

You know it to be true.

 

[Kasaki]

You know it to be true.

You say we compare to Sampdoria 96' fiscally?

They why did we waste 12m on martinez?

We all know Moggi is smarter than Marotta even if he had tighter strings he can at least secure talent. He at least knows what talent looks like ...motta? c'mon seriously?

 

[Kasaki]

Followed them in Europe and marginally in Spain. To be honest, Nilmar is the man we should be after.

Nilmar

He's to old now though