Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (36 Viewers)
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Nenna does have a point though. We aren't in a position to be taking risks, considering the amount of shit we have playing for us. If he were to arrive as a backup, then great, but as a starter, then hell no!We need a proven quality winger, and a world class SS, otherwise we aren't going places.
Nenna said he didn't do things well, but as the videos actually show, he does do them well. That's what the debate is over Bianconero81, not about whether we should by him or not.
I'm not saying we should by him, I'm showing you why you have no idea what you are talking about. The kid is only 22 years old playing for a slightly above average team. How do you know he won't up his game in a better team? All you seem to have in your bag of excuses is he can't beat a man which as I have already demonstrated he has/can/does quite well. Every player gives the ball away, its part of the bloody game.
I'm not taking an issue with you, I'm trying to explain to you what makes wingers like him so productive for a team...but, you can't get past beating a man so I guess there really is nothing left to say. There is a reason why Nedved and Robben can boast those kinds of stats, they were/are playing for great clubs with great players around them. Obviously that's not the only reason, but it certainly helps.
- For highlight reels, he should look better than he does. That's all I've said. He fails to cross it in regularly and he can't beat his man on the run FROM HIS HIGHLIGHT REELS which should make him look better than he is which is what virtually all youtube videos do.
- He is not that quick (again from his videos that is what I've seen).
- A cut in winger needs a great shot and great speed and as a result provides a scoring outlet. He has 3 goals to his name. Pepe scores more then that.
- I've made clear that maybe there is talent in players like these but considering the current situation we've found ourselves in we can't afford to make risks on players that might lift in an important team. We tried last season and we failed. If there is a player that's good enough for Juve in a middle table team you would know by now. Hazard and Aguero play for inferior teams than Juve and are considered up there with the best in the world. These players don't just come out of the woodwork when they join a bigger club, they stand out despite whatever team they play in because they're quality. What kind of plan is it to buy average players with supposed 'promise' in the hope that they will improve in a bigger team. Its a terrible plan.
You talk like him not beating his man is my only criticism of him. He doesn't do a whole lot of things well. And when I mentioned he doesn't beat his man and prefers to back pass most of the time that was to say that he isn't an aggressive player. He doesn't look that quick, he cuts in but what for? I didn't see him cut in with any decisive crosses. Needless to say you're trying to win an argument you've made up on a half truth. I said he looks weak in many respects and one of those is his ability to get around defenders. Sure he does it twice and doesn't manage to put in a clean cross, does that make me wrong? No because he fails in attacking and chooses not to attack defenders so many times in comparison. Therefore it would seem to me that he does not do those things as well as you think he does. Sometimes players do win on one on ones or manage to get decisive passes around their defenders, Pepe did several times during the season. That doesn't make him effective in doing it and creating an end product.
How does that make him not an aggressive player? And who do you think is in front of him when he cuts in all the time, certainly not his on teammates. He tries to round his opponents often enough, I really am not sure what highlights you are watching. Again, 22 years old with a pretty good potential to become even better with a better team as well.
I'm not going to go through every video with you. If he hasn't got a team mate to pass to when he cuts in do you think he should pass it anyway? You know, just to see what happens? Because he does several times in his highlights and gives the ball away. Moreover as I've already said, for a cut in winger his right foot doesn't look all that deadly to me which is necessary for a winger with an opposite preferred foot. Maybe something is getting lost in translation because you're clearly not getting it. You know as much about the player as I do and if I can't say that he isn't good enough then you're in no position to say he has what it takes to be good enough. That is a double standard a lot of members have begun applying on this forum. I can't be overly critical of a player but I can be overly appreciative of one which is okay.
I'm not asking to you to go through every video with me, it isn't needed. I have seen enough from the videos I have seen to know you are wrong. I haven't under or overrated the player. All I am saying is, he beats his man, he has a decent pass and plays it smart when needed and at times has the guts to beat a player (or 2) which you say he never or rarely does. The best part about youtube is you can watch the videos as many times as you want...I suggest you keep looking.
Looks like you've chosen to see when he can beat his marker and ignore all those times he fails to beat his marker which is what makes you wrong. I don't think I'm right about anything, I've just stated a view on little evidence and you've done the same. The difference is your view accounts for the few good things and doesn't account for the bad things and as result you've come up with an optimistically distorted conclusion from the evidence given. If I make one great pass and 5 bad passes does that make me a good passer because I'm capable of making 1 good pass out of 5? According to you it is. And I've got better things to do than watch player videos and rub my boner all day long so I'll pass thanks bro.
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