Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) part 2 (11 Viewers)

[Joe]

No. He couldn't back up Pirlo.

Ben Arfa is good, but he can't play as deep as Pirlo does. He's is good with the ball and, when it's necessary, he can play in the wings. But, he is prone to injuries and, as I said before, he can't replace Pirlo.

Oh whoops, I thought I read here that he can.

Verratti.

 

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[Lapa]

Could you tell me how good are the following players?
I didnt watch most of them while I havent decided on some
Rate them as average good great wc
The players are:
Juan Arango
Mario Gotze
Eden Hazard
Oliver Giroud
Luuk De Jong
Bas Dost
Armero-defensive wise (I didnt watch many Udinese games. From the ones I did watch I was impressed by his offensive aspect. Didnt notice anything about his defending aspect)

Arango: Are we talking about the same player? If we are, you can't be serious. = Average
Götze: People here love him, I think he is a bit overrated. Could be huge though. = Great
Hazard: My first pick of all players probably. Frigging awesome player. = WC
Giroud: No idea really. Sounds meh. = Average
De Jong: Hmm...could become a very valuable player, haven't followed enough. = Good
Dost: Have no idea really. Ask Ken or Janna.
Armero: Do you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armero_tragedy?

 

[Bianconero81]

I think you're underrating those guys a bit...maybe individually but not altogether.

Gio

Honestly I'd just take the cheaper option out of Ogbonna/Astori, I don't think Ogbonna will be anything great. If we get a starting LB (which we really should) that 4th CB will hardly play behind Chiellini, Barza and Bonbon. For LB I think Kolarov would be good especially as he is a very attacking player which would suit the 3-5-2 with 3 defending CBs very well.

I wouldn't sell Matri or Quag tbh and I wouldn't buy Borriello. For RW I'd like Suarez/Ramirez/etc & Pepe, CF: Cavani/RVP/Higuain/etc + Quag & Matri and LW: Vucinic & Giacch.

Also about Del Piero.

I really don't rate any of our forwards, bar Vucinic. He's the only one, along with Del Piero of course, who is capable of making things happen. If an offer of 18-20 Million Euros came in for I'd sell him without hesitation. An offer of 12-15 Million Euros, and I'd have no problems in letting Quag go as well. As for Borriello, I'd rather not buy him, but it seems Conte rates him for some reason.

Gio could b very useful, and he's a much better and complete player than Giac will ever be, at least in the attacking department. I'm sure Conte can get him to accept the bench and STFU (as he will eventually get his chances in a long season); the problem before was that we never had a strong coach with a winning mentality (Del Neri, Ranieri, Zac, and even Ferrara were losers).

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Arango: Are we talking about the same player? If we are, you can't be serious. = Average
Götze: People here love him, I think he is a bit overrated. Could be huge though. = Great
Hazard: My first pick of all players probably. Frigging awesome player. = WC
Giroud: No idea really. Sounds meh. = Average
De Jong: Hmm...could become a very valuable player, haven't followed enough. = Good
Dost: Have no idea really. Ask Ken or Janna.
Armero: Do you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armero_tragedy?

:wth: Gotze over-rated but Rossi is awesome?!

 

[ItzLeif]

In theory, where would Ramirez fit in our formation? Would he play as a deep right-forward? I'm pretty sure Milan used Kaka that way a couple of years ago to good effect.

 

[Ahmed]

In theory, where would Ramirez fit in our formation? Would he play as a deep right-forward? I'm pretty sure Milan used Kaka that way a couple of years ago to good effect.

yes, but cuts in on his favored left foot.

 

[Bianconero81]

Ramirez as RWF, or as an SS if we deploy 3-5-2 against certain opponents.

 

[JuveJay]

There is talk of Francesco Lodi to back up Pirlo. I've liked Lodi since his Italy youth days, but he's 28 now and only just fulfilling his potential. Better to let our kids develop, than waste someone of that age on the bench, just turns into another Pazienza.

 

[Enron]

Arango: Are we talking about the same player? If we are, you can't be serious. = Average
Götze: People here love him, I think he is a bit overrated. Could be huge though. = Great
Hazard: My first pick of all players probably. Frigging awesome player. = WC
Giroud: No idea really. Sounds meh. = Average
De Jong: Hmm...could become a very valuable player, haven't followed enough. = Good
Dost: Have no idea really. Ask Ken or Janna.
Armero: Do you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armero_tragedy?

Dost has scored a fuck ton of goals in the Dutch league. 32 this season.

Giroud is a good player. He may require a certain system to get the best out of him but he is good.

Arango is a tricky, skillful player, probably the same level as Farfan.

 

[ZoSo]

I really don't rate any of our forwards, bar Vucinic. He's the only one, along with Del Piero of course, who is capable of making things happen. If an offer of 18-20 Million Euros came in for I'd sell him without hesitation. An offer of 12-15 Million Euros, and I'd have no problems in letting Quag go as well. As for Borriello, I'd rather not buy him, but it seems Conte rates him for some reason.

Gio could b very useful, and he's a much better and complete player than Giac will ever be, at least in the attacking department. I'm sure Conte can get him to accept the bench and STFU (as he will eventually get his chances in a long season); the problem before was that we never had a strong coach with a winning mentality (Del Neri, Ranieri, Zac, and even Ferrara were losers).

If offers that much came in I would probably sell them too but I seriously doubt we would get those prices for either of them. Maybe €15m for Matri and €8m for Quag.

So many coaches passed on gio as he's not a big club player, he's just another Miccoli, Di Natale, Di Vaio etc.

 

[Bianconero81]

There is talk of Francesco Lodi to back up Pirlo. I've liked Lodi since his Italy youth days, but he's 28 now and only just fulfilling his potential. Better to let our kids develop, than waste someone of that age on the bench, just turns into another Pazienza.

No No No! We need to trust our youth more. I'm tired of too many average players taking up bench positions.

 

[ZoSo]

There is talk of Francesco Lodi to back up Pirlo. I've liked Lodi since his Italy youth days, but he's 28 now and only just fulfilling his potential. Better to let our kids develop, than waste someone of that age on the bench, just turns into another Pazienza.

Cigarini?

 

[Fr3sh]

Ogbonna>Astori
Correct me if I'm wrong but Ogbonna can cover LB too, for that sole reason he>Astori. He can solve 2 depth problems instead of only one.

 

[Enron]

Ogbonna>Astori
Correct me if I'm wrong but Ogbonna can cover LB too, for that sole reason he>Astori. He can solve 2 depth problems instead of only one.

He played there for the NT against USA and did alright.

 

[Bianconero81]

If offers that much came in I would probably sell them too but I seriously doubt we would get those prices for either of them. Maybe €15m for Matri and €8m for Quag.

So many coaches passed on gio as he's not a big club player, he's just another Miccoli, Di Natale, Di Vaio etc.

Better than any of our strikers (not named Del Piero or Vucinic) Tbh.

 

[Ahmed]

Ogbonna>Astori
Correct me if I'm wrong but Ogbonna can cover LB too, for that sole reason he>Astori. He can solve 2 depth problems instead of only one.

you only have one chance, play your NIGGAJUVE card very carefully.

 

[Bianconero81]

Cigarini?

Fuck no! :andy:

 

[Salvatore]

Better than any of our strikers (not named Del Piero or Vucinic) Tbh.

Why didn't you include Miccoli?

 

[ZoSo]

Better than any of our strikers (not named Del Piero or Vucinic) Tbh.

They wouldn't be half as good here. There's a reason why Di Natale chose to stay with Udinese a couple of years ago and why Di Vaio and Miccoli couldn't make it here. They're all big fish small pond players. except Gio is microscopic fish small pond.

 

[Fr3sh]

you only have one chance, play your NIGGAJUVE card very carefully.

Woot the BiancoNegro must have at least 5-6 NiggaPlayers! Only one is not enough



Gimme Balotelli

 

[Tak!]

Dost has scored a $#@! ton of goals in the Dutch league. 32 this season.

Giroud is a good player. He may require a certain system to get the best out of him but he is good.

Arango is a tricky, skillful player, probably the same level as Farfan.

Never seen Dost play but performing in eredivisie doesn't really say that much. So I'm more curious about how other would evaluate his potential rather than hearing about facts since they don't really tell anything.
Arango is interesting, no doubt! But where would he play in our system? Sub to Vucinic?