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s4tch

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Does he have end product now?
he's still wasteful a bit, but hey, cr himself has had a pretty bad conversion rate throughout his career. ziyech also tends to give away cheap balls. still, i do think that when on form, he's a constant threat in the final third. not sure how he'd fit italian football though. it's always unsure how a player coming from an other league could handle strict tactics, but he looks pretty disciplined. he even gives some considerable defensive contribution and not afraid of duels, despite being a very thin, fragile looking guy. and with him on the ball, i'm impressed. considering juve makes most players perform even better, he's someone paratici should put on his shopping list.
 

Orgut

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Bullshit he's great. In the meanwhile Juve have Berna in their ranks
Great for Ajax and could be very good for Roma but he is not at Juve level as otherwise we or some other top team would be all over him..
Berna is Italian and was considered as a talent - We hoped he would be better but for now he isnt.. He isnt a bad sub though..

We need someone who has great ball control and vision skills while he needs to have ability to shoot well from outside the area - There arent many ideal players for this role.
Prime Isco definitely fits the bill...
 

Cerval

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Great for Ajax and could be very good for Roma but he is not at Juve level as otherwise we or some other top team would be all over him..
Berna is Italian and was considered as a talent - We hoped he would be better but for now he isnt.. He isnt a bad sub though..

We need someone who has great ball control and vision skills while he needs to have ability to shoot well from outside the area - There arent many ideal players for this role.
Prime Isco definitely fits the bill...
Bayern were interested at some point but it fell through. But is that really your metric to judge a player? Watching him should be the metric.

Besides if Berna is good to keep as a sub but Ziyech is Roma worthy then that's hilarious.
 

dolph

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that's very far from hate towards him as a player. i just don't think he's the type of guy we're missing. sarri basically said that to fit cr7 and either of dybala and higuain in the same lineup, you need to give up on the flanks and use a trequartista. now, if you're about to start insigne, how the team would look like? 4-3-3 is out of the question as neither of the argies is a winger, and cr isn't one anymore. one could argue that 4-2-3-1 could fit this squad with dybala as the seconda punta and cr as the prima punta, but in that case, you'd rotate cr with higuain, and you'd also need a healthy costa (will never happen) or start cuadrado on the right wing (quite a compromise, considering the other rb's). or you could play a special 4-2-4 with berna/cuadrado on the right, which might be a cool solution - but sarri never played this formation, and isn't considering berna a winger. also, not convinced about insigne's defensive contribution.

tl;dr: even if i put aside that insigne is a prick, i'd rather have a proper am like isco or eriksen than him.
I would go with the 4-4-2/4-3-3 hybrid we started the season with. Insignie or Costa playing the role of winger, with defensive duties, Ronaldo or Dybala in the free role starting either wide left(Ronaldo) or wide right(Dybala), and Ronaldo, Dybala or Higuain as the CF. There is lots of different ways to make that work.
 

Orgut

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Isco is 27. I don’t think he’s passed his prime, he just needs a new challenge and motivation imo.
Age wise it is true that the peak usually occurs when they hit 28 but its not an exact science...
Maybe it is about a new challenge and a leading role in a club - He is the amazing level AM I`d want but nowadays I dont think there is one AM who is even near that level (I mean nowadays we wont find a Zidane or a Nedved)

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Yeah i don't understand why people think Isco is done
if we continue with this formation then he is the type of player we need
I never said he is done.. I think he still has lots to give although he has declined a bit - Maybe he just needs a new challenge like your friend suggested..
 
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Age wise it is true that the peak usually occurs when they hit 28 but its not an exact science...
Maybe it is about a new challenge and a leading role in a club - He is the amazing level AM I`d want but nowadays I dont think there is one AM who is even near that level (I mean nowadays we wont find a Zidane or a Nedved)

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I never said he is done.. I think he still has lots to give although he has declined a bit - Maybe he just needs a new challenge like your friend suggested..
Id say Erikson is pretty close to Isco if not better and free
 

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The former Juventus midfielder is now threatening to move elsewhere if his situation does not improve.

“I would like to stay here forever, but I must be objective and think day by day,” he told TV3.

“If in December or at the end of the season I realise that I am not important, I will find a solution.”

Vidal has been constantly linked with a return to Serie A, in particular a reunion with Inter boss Antonio Conte.

Go get him!
 

Badass J Elkann

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Daniele Rugani is close to leaving Juventus in January. [Fabrizio Romano]
Well he has to make way for romero next season anyways

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Recent contacts between Merih Demiral's agents with Milan and Arsenal, but Fabio Paratici's view has not changed from this summer. For Juventus the Turkish CB is not leaving. (@NicoSchira)
Milan and arsenal dont know who they are dealing with. They must think we have the charitable marotta still
 

juve123

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The former Juventus midfielder is now threatening to move elsewhere if his situation does not improve.

“I would like to stay here forever, but I must be objective and think day by day,” he told TV3.

“If in December or at the end of the season I realise that I am not important, I will find a solution.”

Vidal has been constantly linked with a return to Serie A, in particular a reunion with Inter boss Antonio Conte.

Go get him!
Marotta dismantled our midfield Vidal and Pogba replacing them with Khedira and matuidi
 
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