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italiacalcio10

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Yes, I know that's your profession but I think the club refuses to go into debt for a reason. The net expenditure you mentioned (100-150 mln) can be observed within the teams that have revenue 50% higher than ours. I don't see other clubs with comparable revenue making transfers as you suggest (Liverpool for example).
It wouldn't be each year. I am saying the company is currently underleveraged. Every company has debt, and Juventus has debt. The level of debt has been more or less constant for 2 seasons, while earnings have been soaring. That means the capital structure has debt capacity. Debt isn't bad - too much debt is. After you adjust your debt for your earnings, your expenditures going forward are driven by revenue growth and cash flow generation.

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This is pure sex. :tuttosport::tuttosport::tuttosport:
I wasn't sure whether it makes sense to invert Cuadrado or James or not. They aren't inverted on the Colombian national team, but I like the idea of both of them being able to shoot on their offwing.

I'm also a true believer in team chemistry so James with Cuadrado in the same formation for the national team is positive.
 

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rakib567

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I think we need to replicate the ancelotti 2014 Real madrid team with cuadrado being our dimaria type of player in that later CM position.
Ancelotti played a 433 which switched to a 442 when defending

Lopez
Carvajal Ramos Pepe Marcelo
Modrid Alonso Dimaria
Bale Benzema Ronaldo

442 defending

Lopez
Carvajal Ramos Pepe Marcelo
Bale Modrid Alonso Dimaria
Benzema Ronaldo​

IN 2015 we had a 4312 formation with vidal as number 10. Vidal would then drop alonside pirlo and form a 442 defensive position

Buffon
Licht Bonucci Chiellini Evra
Marchisio Pirlo Pogba
Vidal
Morata Tevez

442 defending

Buffon
Licht Bonucci Chiellini Evra
Marchisio Pirlo Vidal Pogba
Morata Tevez

i think we can balance and mix both those formation to form this (for now)

Buffon
Alves Bonucci Chiellini Sandro
Cuadrado Marchisio Khedira
Pjanic
Dybala Higuain



442 defending

Buffon
Alves Bonucci Chiellini Sandro
Cuadrado Marchisio Pjanic Khedira
Dybala Higuain​
 
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James should never play CM.

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:tup: He would never play CM for us. AM/SS or even a winger of some sorts might work.

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He was statistically better than Paul Pogba in almost every respect as a CM. I think you're wasting his ability, but he still would be our best Mazzala.
Statistics mean shit without context. James mostly played against easier low level teams as a CM. James as a mezzala is lightyears behind Pogba and most Madrid fans think James sucks as a CM.

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We will also have to take into account that we have a potential good B2B in mandragora, and a AM in Sensi... maybe they can prove seomthign for the next year?.
Mandragora and Sensi are both DM's. Actually Mandragora played in defense before his injury and Sensi is your traditional regista type of player who has played as a CM for Sassuolo because their captain Magnanelli has the DM position as his own.
 
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Hopefully we get to see Mandragora soon. Sensi I've watched a couple of times this season and he looks good on the ball.

We have good young midfielders on stand by with Bentancur, Pavon, Donsah and the aforementioned Sensi on top of that our primavera guys in that department look quite good as well.
 

italiacalcio10

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:tup: He would never play CM for us. AM/SS or even a winger of some sorts might work.

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Statistics mean $#@! without context. James mostly played against easier low level teams as a CM. James as a mezzala is lightyears behind Pogba and most Madrid fans think James sucks as a CM.


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Mandragora and Sensi are both DM's. Actually Mandragora played in defense before his injury and Sensi is your traditional regista type of player who has played as a CM for Sassuolo because their captain Magnanelli has the DM position as his own.
Under Ancelotti he was excellent as a central midfielder. Not only were statistics incredibly strong:

James as a Mezzala (CM) (per 90 minutes, all starts)
2014/2015 (15GP) - Tackles: 1.5, Interceptions:1.3, Blocked Passes: 1.3, Goals: 0.4, Shots: 1.6, Assists 0.7, Key Pass 3.2, Dispossessed: 1.1, Total Passes: 66
2015/2016 - (8GP) - Tackles: 2.2, Interceptions: 0.8, Blocked Passes: 0.7, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 1.8, Assists 0.7, Key Pass 4.2, Dispossessed: 1.1, Total Passes: 67

Pogba as a Mezzala (CM) (per 90 minutes, all starts)
2014/2015 (25GP) - Tackles: 2.4, Interceptions:0.8, Blocked Passes: 1.1, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 2.4, Assists 0.1, Key Pass 1.6, Dispossessed: 2.9, Total Passes: 51
2015/2016 - (31GP) - Tackles: 2.3, Interceptions: 1.3, Blocked Passes: 1.1, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 3.7, Assists 0.4, Key Pass 1.6, Dispossessed: 2.4, Total Passes: 51

I'll add some context.
-15 starts at CM is a lot. That is not a small sample. He was consistently played there under Ancelotti. His statistics are objectively good. I'm a huge fan of the player, and I'm not saying it is his best position, but he is still a very good player in that position.

This is from 2014-2015, his best year where he played either wide in a 4-4-2 or centrally in a 4-3-3...
"James is awesome. Doesn't look incredible doing anything, but he can do everything. Defends well, shoots well, passes well, has a great cross, plays almost everywhere on the pitch, and he even scored headers."
"I actually thought it was the opposite. His offensive play was ok but his defensive plays were great. Really refreshing to see him work hard off the ball. If we are going to succeed with Kroos, Modric, and Kroos there needs to be dedication in making sure everyone is working when the ball isn't in our possession and James showed that today.

With an already offensive lineup, goals and assists shouldn't just be his main target as of now. He also had the second most tackles behind Marcelo so whatever Carlo is doing, keep it up because its working."

"With BBC being our main scoring outlet, I think James is finally realizing he can contribute to the team in other ways. Goals are nice but right now we have the front 3 to give us that. Creating scoring opportunities and helping off the ball should be James main concern which he has done well. Bale is just 25, CR is 29, and Benz 26. Jese is also waiting in the wings. There isn't a need for a scoring player to be replaced. I think James transition into the midfield is going great. A goal once in a while is great but that isn't the end all be all for this team and the way we play"

"Lol you're the one who is rushing to diss/downplay our former players for a guy who just joined 3 months ago. No one is saying James isn't adapting or playing well. In fact I've said he is playing very well as someone who has changed positions and now playing a different role. You're just upset someone called you out on your bias and erratic opinions trying to push them as facts.

James is good yes but sh*tting on DiMaria and Ozil is ridiculous."

"Yeah, I saw that, but unlike the world he now plays a bit deeper. I don't know if he ever has payed this deep but he is doing fantasticly. I suppose we'll see him back in a more attacking position once Ronaldo" retires.

btw, Real or La Real is the nickname for Real Sociadad. Real Madrid are just refereed to as Madrid."

So under Ancelotti he was a pretty good Mezzala. Not his first role, but he was good. Things fell apart after Ancelotti was let go.
 

j0ker

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James would be a dream, but I wouldn't play him as a CM but rather alongside Dybala in a 4-3-2-1 or as a trequartista behind Dybala and Higuain.
 

italiacalcio10

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James would be a dream, but I wouldn't play him as a CM but rather alongside Dybala in a 4-3-2-1 or as a trequartista behind Dybala and Higuain.
I agree. He should play in advanced position. Either as a wide playmaker in a 4-3-3 or a secondary striker if Dybala is hurt, or an attacking midfielder in a 4-2-2-2 / 4-3-2-1/4-3-1-2. My point on him playing CM is that he is that elite. He would be one of our best players regardless of where he plays on pitch, even as a CM.

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Let's focus on Verratti instead.
por que no los dos?
 
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Under Ancelotti he was excellent as a central midfielder. Not only were statistics incredibly strong:

James as a Mezzala (CM) (per 90 minutes, all starts)
2014/2015 (15GP) - Tackles: 1.5, Interceptions:1.3, Blocked Passes: 1.3, Goals: 0.4, Shots: 1.6, Assists 0.7, Key Pass 3.2, Dispossessed: 1.1, Total Passes: 66
2015/2016 - (8GP) - Tackles: 2.2, Interceptions: 0.8, Blocked Passes: 0.7, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 1.8, Assists 0.7, Key Pass 4.2, Dispossessed: 1.1, Total Passes: 67

Pogba as a Mezzala (CM) (per 90 minutes, all starts)
2014/2015 (25GP) - Tackles: 2.4, Interceptions:0.8, Blocked Passes: 1.1, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 2.4, Assists 0.1, Key Pass 1.6, Dispossessed: 2.9, Total Passes: 51
2015/2016 - (31GP) - Tackles: 2.3, Interceptions: 1.3, Blocked Passes: 1.1, Goals: 0.3, Shots: 3.7, Assists 0.4, Key Pass 1.6, Dispossessed: 2.4, Total Passes: 51

I'll add some context.
-15 starts at CM is a lot. That is not a small sample. He was consistently played there under Ancelotti. His statistics are objectively good. I'm a huge fan of the player, and I'm not saying it is his best position, but he is still a very good player in that position.

This is from 2014-2015, his best year where he played either wide in a 4-4-2 or centrally in a 4-3-3...
"James is awesome. Doesn't look incredible doing anything, but he can do everything. Defends well, shoots well, passes well, has a great cross, plays almost everywhere on the pitch, and he even scored headers."
"I actually thought it was the opposite. His offensive play was ok but his defensive plays were great. Really refreshing to see him work hard off the ball. If we are going to succeed with Kroos, Modric, and Kroos there needs to be dedication in making sure everyone is working when the ball isn't in our possession and James showed that today.

With an already offensive lineup, goals and assists shouldn't just be his main target as of now. He also had the second most tackles behind Marcelo so whatever Carlo is doing, keep it up because its working."

"With BBC being our main scoring outlet, I think James is finally realizing he can contribute to the team in other ways. Goals are nice but right now we have the front 3 to give us that. Creating scoring opportunities and helping off the ball should be James main concern which he has done well. Bale is just 25, CR is 29, and Benz 26. Jese is also waiting in the wings. There isn't a need for a scoring player to be replaced. I think James transition into the midfield is going great. A goal once in a while is great but that isn't the end all be all for this team and the way we play"

"Lol you're the one who is rushing to diss/downplay our former players for a guy who just joined 3 months ago. No one is saying James isn't adapting or playing well. In fact I've said he is playing very well as someone who has changed positions and now playing a different role. You're just upset someone called you out on your bias and erratic opinions trying to push them as facts.

James is good yes but sh*tting on DiMaria and Ozil is ridiculous."

"Yeah, I saw that, but unlike the world he now plays a bit deeper. I don't know if he ever has payed this deep but he is doing fantasticly. I suppose we'll see him back in a more attacking position once Ronaldo" retires.

btw, Real or La Real is the nickname for Real Sociadad. Real Madrid are just refereed to as Madrid."

So under Ancelotti he was a pretty good Mezzala. Not his first role, but he was good. Things fell apart after Ancelotti was let go.
REAL MADRID 2 - 0 CÓRDOBA
DEPORTIVO LA CORUÑA 2 - 8 REAL MADRID
REAL MADRID 5 - 0 ATHLETIC CLUB
EIBAR 0 - 4 REAL MADRID
MÁLAGA 1 - 2 REAL MADRID
VALENCIA 2 - 1 REAL MADRID
REAL MADRID 3 - 0 ESPANYOL
GETAFE 0 - 3 REAL MADRID
CÓRDOBA 1 - 2 REAL MADRID
REAL MADRID 9 - 1 GRANADA
RAYO VALLECANO 0 - 2 REAL MADRID
REAL MADRID 3 - 0 ALMERÍA
REAL MADRID 2 - 2 VALENCIA
ESPANYOL 1 - 4 REAL MADRID
REAL MADRID 7 - 3 GETAFE

As I said James almost exclusively played against the easier opponents in that position hence his stats will look very good and the possible shortcomings in the given position won't necessary be exposed.

In the last 1,5 years those shortcomings have been exposed and that is why most Real fans prefer him not to play in that position. Even during your highlighted season he was better as an RM.

I do like James but especially at Juve he would never play as a CM because he just doesn't cut it at that position. There are plenty of other positions where he would be an instant improvement for us though.
 

rakib567

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Bring back Vidal and Coman.
Add Berardi


treble here we come

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"Coman? His future is at Bayern," the 57-year-old told Tuttosport. "We all rely heavily on him. There is no possibility of him returning to Juve.

Nevermind.

Unless Coman pushes a move away
 
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