Winter Mercato 2015 (15 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

The reason they had that much skill is because that's all they had to focus on. Players today have way more extensive practices and drills.

It goes both ways. It's not something kind of phenomena or something. I do think if we had a time machine and today's players went back to the past, they'd murder those guys.

That's not entirely true. It's more so that today, a lot of these players are starting overly physical fitness training at too young an age. And that is a problem. Players shouldn't be weightlifting and focusing too much on fitness training before the age of 16 or so. It's not necessary. They should be working technique and skill repetitively, endlessly. And at about the age of 16 is when physical training should start to become a big priority. If you give the physical training methods to players of the past, but allow them to have grown up in the same way until about the age of 16-17, they'd crush players today in my opinion. Mind you, if players today were allowed to focus more on the technical skill aspect through adolescence, I think we'd see marked improvements also. It's the global popularization of the EPL that has created problems in that regard, with the mindless kickball strategy.

Aside from this, defenders were allowed to be much more physical in the past, so players had to be tougher. It's the same in football, basketball, hockey, all sports. They've taken away physicality in defense and give yellow cards for nothing. You think some of the great Italian defenders of the past would let someone like Gervinho just run past them? Not likely. Not without paying a price.

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Absolutely not.

 

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[Maddy]

I didn't even see that until today. If even if that's true, how are you to say i was wrong because nothing happened before, what if something indeed does this time? And 2. If time proves me wrong I don't really care. Last i checked this a Football forum and that's what I'm here for.

 

[Post Ironic]

So young, yet so old.

Are you Statler or Waldorf?

You're such a little gravedigger.

 

[Maddy]

You're such a little gravedigger.

Is that Bowie a reference?

And I'm not little

 

[italiacalcio10]

That's not entirely true. It's more so that today, a lot of these players are starting overly physical fitness training at too young an age. And that is a problem. Players shouldn't be weightlifting and focusing too much on fitness training before the age of 16 or so. It's not necessary. They should be working technique and skill repetitively, endlessly. And at about the age of 16 is when physical training should start to become a big priority. If you give the physical training methods to players of the past, but allow them to have grown up in the same way until about the age of 16-17, they'd crush players today in my opinion. Mind you, if players today were allowed to focus more on the technical skill aspect through adolescence, I think we'd see marked improvements also. It's the global popularization of the EPL that has created problems in that regard, with the mindless kickball strategy.

Aside from this, defenders were allowed to be much more physical in the past, so players had to be tougher. It's the same in football, basketball, hockey, all sports. They've taken away physicality in defense and give yellow cards for nothing. You think some of the great Italian defenders of the past would let someone like Gervinho just run past them? Not likely. Not without paying a price.

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[Post Ironic]

Is that Bowie a reference?

And I'm not little

A mix of Bowie and Shakespeare.

That first Bowie album was so great. Please Mr Gravedigger

 

[Ocelot]

That's not entirely true. It's more so that today, a lot of these players are starting overly physical fitness training at too young an age. And that is a problem. Players shouldn't be weightlifting and focusing too much on fitness training before the age of 16 or so. It's not necessary. They should be working technique and skill repetitively, endlessly. And at about the age of 16 is when physical training should start to become a big priority. If you give the physical training methods to players of the past, but allow them to have grown up in the same way until about the age of 16-17, they'd crush players today in my opinion. Mind you, if players today were allowed to focus more on the technical skill aspect through adolescence, I think we'd see marked improvements also. It's the global popularization of the EPL that has created problems in that regard, with the mindless kickball strategy.

Aside from this, defenders were allowed to be much more physical in the past, so players had to be tougher. It's the same in football, basketball, hockey, all sports. They've taken away physicality in defense and give yellow cards for nothing. You think some of the great Italian defenders of the past would let someone like Gervinho just run past them? Not likely. Not without paying a price.

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I don't have the time to write out a longer response, but basically the way I see it, players now a technically inferior to players in the past, but vastly superior physically. In a direct matchup between the best teams of now and the best teams of the 90es or 80es, present teams would win.
You can argue that the focus on athleticism has made football less entertaining to watch and everything, but in terms of who has a higher probability of winning, today's teams have a clear advantage.

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't have the time to write out a longer response, but basically the way I see it, players now a technically inferior to players in the past, but vastly superior physically. In a direct matchup between the best teams of now and the best teams of the 90es or 80es, present teams would win.
You can argue that the focus on athleticism has made football less entertaining to watch and everything, but in terms of who has a higher probability of winning, today's teams have a clear advantage.

I think it would be close. I don't know who would win. Depends on whether you play with today's rules or not. Players today aren't used to the physicality and brutal fouls defenders were allowed to get away with in the past.

Aside from this, athleticism is an advantage, but so is skill. I think the past was clearly lacking in training methods physical fitness-wise, but the present is severely lacking in technical and skill training at younger ages, which should be the predominant focus, in order to maximize both.

 

[italiacalcio10]

I think it would be close. I don't know who would win. Depends on whether you play with today's rules or not. Players today aren't used to the physicality and brutal fouls defenders were allowed to get away with in the past.

Aside from this, athleticism is an advantage, but so is skill. I think the past was clearly lacking in training methods physical fitness-wise, but the present is severely lacking in technical and skill training at younger ages, which should be the predominant focus, in order to maximize both.

So Adel Taarabt is a throw-back then! Lmao.

It will be interesting how Hachim Mastour turns out. However I get the impression that his technical ability is just dribbling and is more limited in other respects.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I don't have the time to write out a longer response, but basically the way I see it, players now a technically inferior to players in the past, but vastly superior physically. In a direct matchup between the best teams of now and the best teams of the 90es or 80es, present teams would win.
You can argue that the focus on athleticism has made football less entertaining to watch and everything, but in terms of who has a higher probability of winning, today's teams have a clear advantage.

(an older) Zidane in 2006 proves you wrong. And i'm giving you someone who played old style Football in modern times. Again, it's what you do with the ball, not how strong or fast you are. Neither Iniesta or Xavi were fast or strong players yet they were unstoppable at their peak. Why? Technicality and inteligence will always outmatch phisicality and speed.

Look at defenders today. They can't read shit. The best ones are average at best. What of all the new tactics and drills? Shouldn't they have improved those defenders?

Another point is, have you seen how they used to be in past and how referees turn a blind eye to ugly tackles? Nowadays players are protected. Players like Messi today have a guardian angel for referees every time they enter the pitch. There was no such thing then. It was thuggish, ugly and brutal.

 

[Lion]

i expect to see players with physiqes like ronaldo and bale to beomce common. strong, big and fast with good technique

 

[CrimsonianKing]

i expect to see players with physiqes like ronaldo and bale to beomce common. strong, big and fast with good technique

This is actually a pretty good theory and yes, it's very possible seeing the way things are going.

It all comes down to whether someone is gifted. Ronaldo is gifted, in his case his phisicality is just a plus for his technical talent. He excels at what he does with the ball in many ways.

 

[fredrik]

i expect to see players with physiqes like ronaldo and bale to beomce common. strong, big and fast with good technique

Only if doping is regalized

 

[Lion]

it is already

 

[adRHCP]

Well, United lost today at home 0-1 to Southampton while Mata missed 2-3 good opportunities. Any chance this will bring him close to Juve?

Just last day I downloaded and watched Tottenham vs Manchester United from a few days ago. After watching Mata play at the level he did, I don't think United will sell him, but who knows.

 

[alexjuventino]

Rai Sport claim we are going to offer 1m loan+17m for purchase for Mkhitaryan

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

such a laughable offer

 

[zizinho]

Rai Sport claim we are going to offer 1m loan+17m for purchase for Mkhitaryan

maybe we are trying to confuse dortmund before our CL games

 

[alexjuventino]

maybe we are trying to confuse dortmund before our CL games

Lol