Winter Mercato 2015 (41 Viewers)
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Agreed with Zizinho on the Cup-Tied issue...My understanding is players who participated in group stages of Europa cannot play in UCL, so the options are very limited.
A loan with an option to buy would likely be ideal because while it would be nice to find a permanent solution, a stop gap who can play the CAM position is really all that's necessary. At a glance, it looks like the only players who wouldn't be cup-tied (both stop-gaps and permanent solutions) are Juan Mata, Dusan Tadic, Roberto Firmino, and Rafael Van Der Vaart, who I'm pretty sure sucks now.
Could always call China and bring in Diamanti for a few months...j/k.
In the summer we could always go for something more permanent if we did elect for a temporary stop-gap...Christian Eriksen
A loan with an option to buy would likely be ideal because while it would be nice to find a permanent solution, a stop gap who can play the CAM position is really all that's necessary. At a glance, it looks like the only players who wouldn't be cup-tied (both stop-gaps and permanent solutions) are Juan Mata, Dusan Tadic, Roberto Firmino, and Rafael Van Der Vaart, who I'm pretty sure sucks now.
Could always call China and bring in Diamanti for a few months...j/k.
In the summer we could always go for something more permanent if we did elect for a temporary stop-gap...Christian Eriksen
Coman is about as raw as you can get. Not every player can develop at the rate of of Paul Pogba (an abnormal one, where we were spoiled). If we're looking for a player who can seamlessly fit in and help the team compete in the UCL, particularly in that CAM position that we lack depth in, an experienced player with pedigree is a better fit. Coman needs minutes but frankly we still have a gaping hole in that attacking mf position. A clear cut upgrade there definitely improves the team's chances in the knockout round. Even if Mata isn't the top choice, he is a way better option to put in a champions league game because of his experience.
If you look at any of the major European contenders, the only 19-20 year olds breaking into the first team are stand-out prodigies, players who are clearing playing at a level way beyond their years. It doesn't mean those players won't play, but they are support players. That is what Coman should be right now, because as much as I wish he were, he isn't quite the same freak of nature that Paul Pogba is. Remember Pogba was a sub at first, but forced himself into the team, displacing Marchisio, no easy feat.
But to illustrate with other top end European teams, let's look at high profile 18-19 y/o who have broken into the first team:
Gianluca Gaudino
Raheem Sterling
Adnan Janujaj
Munir
Only 1 of those players is cemented in the starting 11, and I'd argue 2 out of those players can unequivocally, without debate, be said to be further along in their development than Coman (Sterling/Janujaj). Both of those players forced their teams' hand in giving them more starts with Sterling being a fixture in the starting 11.
As much as it's great to want youth to break into the team and get an opportunity, there is a balance, because ultimately inexperience leads to errors and in big games this can be amplified. Coman will get his shot (he's 18), but in the meantime, Juve does need to add another CAM for the starting 11, and it would be ideal if the player was one of European competition quality.
If we're looking for a player who isn't cup tied, the feasible options are for better or for worse:
Firmino
Mata
Van Der Vaart
Tadic
Diamanti
Candreva
Tadic/Firmino would be very expensive relative to their current resumes, but you'd be paying for upside and their ages. Unfortunately, there is also a lot more downside here.
Van Der Vaart, Diamanti would be cheap/likely loanable, but have a very high probability of being ineffective due to age. Not advocating Van Der Vaart, but given that his contract expires at the end of the season, he would be VERY cheap and is already expected to leave Hamburg.
Mata depending on price would solve the problem, but his uncertainty is more of a question of his fit in the team given his playing style.
Candreva would likely cost an arm and a leg since Serie A sides overrate their players and think that Juve are the same financial powerhouse they were in 2001 and can pay 40 million Euro for a good but not amazing player.
If you look at any of the major European contenders, the only 19-20 year olds breaking into the first team are stand-out prodigies, players who are clearing playing at a level way beyond their years. It doesn't mean those players won't play, but they are support players. That is what Coman should be right now, because as much as I wish he were, he isn't quite the same freak of nature that Paul Pogba is. Remember Pogba was a sub at first, but forced himself into the team, displacing Marchisio, no easy feat.
But to illustrate with other top end European teams, let's look at high profile 18-19 y/o who have broken into the first team:
Gianluca Gaudino
Raheem Sterling
Adnan Janujaj
Munir
Only 1 of those players is cemented in the starting 11, and I'd argue 2 out of those players can unequivocally, without debate, be said to be further along in their development than Coman (Sterling/Janujaj). Both of those players forced their teams' hand in giving them more starts with Sterling being a fixture in the starting 11.
As much as it's great to want youth to break into the team and get an opportunity, there is a balance, because ultimately inexperience leads to errors and in big games this can be amplified. Coman will get his shot (he's 18), but in the meantime, Juve does need to add another CAM for the starting 11, and it would be ideal if the player was one of European competition quality.
If we're looking for a player who isn't cup tied, the feasible options are for better or for worse:
Firmino
Mata
Van Der Vaart
Tadic
Diamanti
Candreva
Tadic/Firmino would be very expensive relative to their current resumes, but you'd be paying for upside and their ages. Unfortunately, there is also a lot more downside here.
Van Der Vaart, Diamanti would be cheap/likely loanable, but have a very high probability of being ineffective due to age. Not advocating Van Der Vaart, but given that his contract expires at the end of the season, he would be VERY cheap and is already expected to leave Hamburg.
Mata depending on price would solve the problem, but his uncertainty is more of a question of his fit in the team given his playing style.
Candreva would likely cost an arm and a leg since Serie A sides overrate their players and think that Juve are the same financial powerhouse they were in 2001 and can pay 40 million Euro for a good but not amazing player.
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Agreed with Zizinho on the Cup-Tied issue...My understanding is players who participated in group stages of Europa cannot play in UCL, so the options are very limited.
A loan with an option to buy would likely be ideal because while it would be nice to find a permanent solution, a stop gap who can play the CAM position is really all that's necessary. At a glance, it looks like the only players who wouldn't be cup-tied (both stop-gaps and permanent solutions) are Juan Mata, Dusan Tadic, Roberto Firmino, and Rafael Van Der Vaart, who I'm pretty sure sucks now.
Could always call China and bring in Diamanti for a few months...j/k.
In the summer we could always go for something more permanent if we did elect for a temporary stop-gap...Christian Eriksen
A loan with an option to buy would likely be ideal because while it would be nice to find a permanent solution, a stop gap who can play the CAM position is really all that's necessary. At a glance, it looks like the only players who wouldn't be cup-tied (both stop-gaps and permanent solutions) are Juan Mata, Dusan Tadic, Roberto Firmino, and Rafael Van Der Vaart, who I'm pretty sure sucks now.
Could always call China and bring in Diamanti for a few months...j/k.
In the summer we could always go for something more permanent if we did elect for a temporary stop-gap...Christian Eriksen
in 2009 half season. both played for some other team that season in EL. they coulndt register both so they chose to add Diarra to their CL list while using Huntelaar only for La Liga. so aslong as Eriksen would be the only player that played in EL already this season we add to our CL list, it would be OK- - - Updated - - -
the guy renewed until 2017 with Barca for a release clause of around 35M
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http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/40428-Andrej-Kramaric-ST-HNK-Rijeka/page10
check his thread. there were some posts describing him and his qualities
Our games against Atletico really showed that we badly need pacey and creative attacking players. Our forwards are too slow and uncreative.
Morata could be our man up front if he learns how to be clinical since he's quite pacey for a tall guy. However, we badly need a winger/AM.
Berardi is stagnating at Sassuolo, he needs to come here to train with top trainers. Could we possibly bring him in January? @Mark
Morata could be our man up front if he learns how to be clinical since he's quite pacey for a tall guy. However, we badly need a winger/AM.
Berardi is stagnating at Sassuolo, he needs to come here to train with top trainers. Could we possibly bring him in January? @Mark
he has grown out of a low table club and he was ready to make a step forward. should have got here to keep improving (but some here will still tell you he wasnt ready for us and that he must score a hattrick every game to be ready for us). he is so stupid for wanting to stay there another year
What I really want right now is a LB.
Getting one, we could keep Evra or Padoin as a sub, and free Asamoah to the mid, strengthening the depth in 2 different positions.
Who you guys think would be an affordable LB for 12-15M? But I mean a real LB, not a guy who can play there sometimes like Darmian. A pacey one it is. And not too old.
Getting one, we could keep Evra or Padoin as a sub, and free Asamoah to the mid, strengthening the depth in 2 different positions.
Who you guys think would be an affordable LB for 12-15M? But I mean a real LB, not a guy who can play there sometimes like Darmian. A pacey one it is. And not too old.
you wouldnt want Darmian? i think he would be perfect for us. he can rotate with Licht and Asamoah without losing much on the quality in the team. within 2, maximal 3 years he would take a starting spot (probably from Licht who would be gone by then). if we can get him for 10-12M that would be a great business
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