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Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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#81
Jeeks said:
The effort I meant lies in the fact of installing an operating system and following instructions. Usually the average person buys a computer with the OS already installed (basically due to Microsoft's monopoly).

You don't want effort? Just wait until Rami logs in, he will post a computer product that has ubuntu already installed and configured on it. Would you trust these products? Personally I would.
Here you go

As for Paul's comments, effort is always applied whether its Windows or any other operating system, nobody is born computer literate. The effort was applied on Windows, and only for its monopoly. True, the learning curve of Linux is steeper than Windows, but that is changing rapidly, and the difference is no longer the way it used to be.

"Man is an enemy of what he is oblivious to"
 

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Respaul

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
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#82
Rami said:
"Man is an enemy of what he is oblivious to"
Why are we oblivious to it, jus because we dont use it?

Have you ever thought that maybe, jus maybe... It's no good to us.. It's jus not suitable for what i need to do...

I have nothing against Linux, Neither am i ignorant of the system... Its jus no good to me...

I have several colleagues that are promoters of Linux... Whilst they use Linux for their personal computing, none of them use it for work.. As it jus cannot run the required programs...

But unlike others, (linux users) I have no need to look down on those that do use it.. even though it isnt at this time capable of what i require it to do...
 
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Martin

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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  • Thread Starter #83
    Respaul said:
    But unlike others, (linux users) I have no need to look down on those that do use it.. even though it isnt at this time capable of what i require it to do...
    I don't look down on Windows users. Even though I may say a lot of negative things about Windows for a variety of reasons, I'm not bad mouthing the users.

    I'm not one of those people who say "what are you a Windows user, what a loser". I respect people's choices, but I think they should know they have a choice. I don't go around promoting linux mindlessly either, it's more that I mention it in circles where I think it may be of interest (and lo and behold, quite a few people on our forum have decided to try it, whether it be on my influence or they heard about it somewhere else).

    Most people who know me in person have no idea I use linux. Or that I support Juve for that matter. If it comes up, sure, otherwise I won't push it on people.
     

    Rami

    The Linuxologist
    Dec 24, 2004
    8,065
    #84
    Respaul said:
    Why are we oblivious to it, jus because we dont use it?

    Have you ever thought that maybe, jus maybe... It's no good to us.. It's jus not suitable for what i need to do...

    I have nothing against Linux, Neither am i ignorant of the system... Its jus no good to me...

    I have several colleagues that are promoters of Linux... Whilst they use Linux for their personal computing, none of them use it for work.. As it jus cannot run the required programs...

    But unlike others, (linux users) I have no need to look down on those that do use it.. even though it isnt at this time capable of what i require it to do...
    I wasn't passing judgement about you Paul, it is a general statement that could be true everywhere, and I especially believe it applies here. I had friends ridiculing me because I used Linux, while they never seen a Linux desktop. And I certainly wasn't looking down on you. You seem knowledgable enough about the subject.


    I seperated the quote from the body of my reply for a reason....
     

    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,382
    #85
    Rami said:
    I wasn't passing judgement about you Paul, it is a general statement that could be true everywhere, and I especially believe it applies here. I had friends ridiculing me because I used Linux, while they never seen a Linux desktop. And I certainly wasn't looking down on you. You seem knowledgable enough about the subject.


    I seperated the quote from the body of my reply for a reason....
    I am being mocked by a large group of my friends because I use Linux and all this mockery is out of ignorance.

    I do mock Windows but not its users.
     

    sateeh

    Day Walker
    Jul 28, 2003
    8,020
    #86
    The problem is people who are used to Windows, take one look at linux and say "that's way too wacky and complicated". Today's linux is not inherently more difficult to use than Windows, studies have shown this. If you take a person who's never used a computer, they will not find linux harder. It's just that with our Windows culture, anything non-Windows feels unnatural
    :agree:
     

    V

    Senior Member
    Jun 8, 2005
    20,110
    #87
    • V

      V

    Martin said:
    The problem is people who are used to Windows, take one look at linux and say "that's way too wacky and complicated". Today's linux is not inherently more difficult to use than Windows, studies have shown this. If you take a person who's never used a computer, they will not find linux harder. It's just that with our Windows culture, anything non-Windows feels unnatural.
    this is really the key point of linux's problems. windows is everywhere. people that don't know much about computers know one thing it has, windows. for some people i know a computer is windows, they don't know they can install some other os. that is the problem microsoft are everywhere.
    just recently, earlier this year in the biggest tech-shop in zagreb, i noticed laptop's selling with linux, that is surely a huge step upwards. but then out of curiousity i asked the salesman how many of these did you sell, he said none. he said they had the action for the week and people are just afraid of it, don't know about it and they never knew about it. i guess people are always afraid of change. my point is, the biggest cake of the pc industry is your average joe. and microsoft owns that average joe. average joe doesn't know about computers, os's, hardware and stuff. he knows of internet, movies and music, and one most important thing, windows. for him a pc is windows. that is not right but i don't see that changing anytime soon.

    i have been a windows user since 95 and decided to try out linux more than a half a year ago. first attemtps were disatrous, not cause of linux but because of my windows ways. there is a lot more you need to learn, not because you're bad with computers, but because all you know is windows. like folks on the linux forums say; "there is a learning curve, if you're not ready to walk it, than head back to windows". i myself think have passed that learning curve, but i'm not your average joe, i'm no geek either but i have always taken interest in software and pcs.

    the average joe doesn't want that learning curve, it's as simple as that. and for that problem you have microsoft to blame and that's why most die-hard linux users bash microsoft. cause we all know monopolly is never a good thing.
     

    sateeh

    Day Walker
    Jul 28, 2003
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    Jeeks said:
    Are you also a Linux user?
    no(however am sure i will be changing in the future) but i used Linux, and before i did i was under the impression that it was something from space created by Aliens.
    But it was the complete opposite, it takes a bit of time to get used to it.But then it could be very user friendly and provides much more options.
     

    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,382
    #91
    sateeh said:
    no(however am sure i will be changing in the future) but i used Linux, and before i did i was under the impression that it was something from space created by Aliens.
    But it was the complete opposite, it takes a bit of time to get used to it.But then it could be very user friendly and provides much more options.
    That's nice, this means you'll adapt pretty fast. Welcome to the bright side (once you change :D )
     

    sateeh

    Day Walker
    Jul 28, 2003
    8,020
    #92
    Jeeks said:
    That's nice, this means you'll adapt pretty fast. Welcome to the bright side (once you change :D )
    :D i've wanted to get linux since a while ago but been very busy and lazy that i didnt get the time do it.
     

    mikhail

    Senior Member
    Jan 24, 2003
    9,576
    #93
    Paul mentioned that people don't want effort. That's true.

    Tried activating a Windows XP licence recently? Microsoft Office licence too? Windows Genuine Advantage (sic) giving you any hassle? Had to reinstall Windows after a serious virus infection? Or do you set up a decent anti-virus, anti-spy/adware and firewall program?

    I'm still a Windows user more often than not, but it's becoming a major pain in the ass to use their product.
     
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    Martin

    Martin

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    Off topic.

    Many Linux users also suffer from a little something called..
     

    Chxta

    Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
    Nov 1, 2004
    12,088
    #96
    Respaul said:
    Well firstly, as someone who is currently running Vista on my laptop... I think its very good... far better than the windows of today and for me not far off of using my mac... So, If it's not much better than the current beta... I for one would be happy.

    Secondly, I would disagree, The difference between the last beta i ran for xp and the final release was in my view a large step
    Well, I don't think one should have to throw away one's system each time Bill Gates gets a hard on.

    By the way, I have tried Vista...
     

    Chxta

    Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
    Nov 1, 2004
    12,088
    #97
    Respaul said:
    But that is not the common attitude from most linux users you come across...
    Most including many here... Constantly feel the need to tell you that windows is shit... IE doesnt come close to firefox... etc etc etc...

    When in reality, all of them have their positives and all are suited to certain users, but not others...

    Personally, Linux is no good to me whatsoever... I dont use it, I also dont criticise it or force feed people that its crap...

    Linux users tend to do this... Why... what is the need for it ?


    As for happy windows user... Happy not all the time, But at the end of the day.. It does what i want and i have very few real problems and have never in my life had to call a support line of any type... So, yeah happy enough... As i also am when it comes to my Mac...
    We tend to do that because we have been through both, and know the issues one has to face in Windows.
     

    Chxta

    Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
    Nov 1, 2004
    12,088
    #98
    Respaul said:
    Why are we oblivious to it, jus because we dont use it?

    Have you ever thought that maybe, jus maybe... It's no good to us.. It's jus not suitable for what i need to do...

    I have nothing against Linux, Neither am i ignorant of the system... Its jus no good to me...

    I have several colleagues that are promoters of Linux... Whilst they use Linux for their personal computing, none of them use it for work.. As it jus cannot run the required programs...

    But unlike others, (linux users) I have no need to look down on those that do use it.. even though it isnt at this time capable of what i require it to do...
    For just about every Windows program (except games) there is a Linux equivalent somewhere...
     
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    Martin

    Martin

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    More Vista fun.

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    Microsoft to lock pirates out of Vista PCs
    Antipiracy tech to shut people out of their PCs if the OS isn't activated soon after installation.
    By Joris Evers
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
    Published: October 4, 2006, 6:00 AM PDT
    Last modified: October 4, 2006, 11:34 AM PDT

    update Windows Vista will have new antipiracy technology that locks people out their PCs if the operating system isn't activated within 30 days after installation.

    If Vista is not activated with a legitimate product registration key in time, the system will run in "reduced functionality mode" until it is activated, said Thomas Lindeman, a senior product manager at Microsoft. In this mode, people will be able to use a Web browser for up to an hour, after which time the system will log them out, he said.

    The new technology is part of Microsoft's new "Software Protection Platform," which the company plans to announce on Wednesday. It will be part of future versions of all Microsoft products, but debuts in Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn," said Cori Hartje, director of Microsoft's Windows Genuine Software Initiative. Vista, the successor to Windows XP, is slated to be broadly available in January.

    Microsoft has escalated its battle with software pirates during the past two years through the "Genuine Advantage" add-ons for Windows and Office, its biggest cash cows. The company is now expanding its push by baking antipiracy features into its new products and taking more drastic action when it finds that a product was illegitimately acquired.

    Many users shouldn't be confronted by Vista's antipiracy technology, however. People who buy a PC with Vista installed from companies such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard and Gateway, for example, should find the operating system activated already.

    "Everything is going to be good to go right out of the box," Hartje said. "This is more for those who install after the fact."

    Those who install Vista themselves, for example on existing PCs, will have a 30-day period to activate the operating system and validate with Microsoft that they have a legitimate license. "During those 30 days, you get warning messages, it counts down. During the last three days they get very frequent," Lindeman said.

    If ignored, after 30 days Vista will display four options. The first will allow the user to activate online, the second is to run in reduced functionality mode, the third is to enter a product key and the fourth displays instructions to activate by phone, Lindeman said.

    "In reduced functionality mode, we will let you use your browser for periods of up to an hour before we log you off," Lindeman said.

    Barring people from using their PC is a significant change from the antipiracy features that Microsoft bolted on to Windows XP with Windows Genuine Advantage. In XP, the piracy-busting features only put a block on downloading additional programs from Microsoft's Web sites.

    Windows XP also included product activation, but people could still use their machine in "safe mode" if the operating system was not activated. Moreover, no activation was required if a volume license key was used, the most popular way of pirating Windows. Starting with Vista, Microsoft will no longer give out those types of license keys, which are typically used by larger organizations.

    "Piracy is one of the most significant problems facing the software industry," Hartje said. More than a third of all software installed last year was pirated or unlicensed, she said, citing figures from the Business Software Alliance, a software industry group.

    Microsoft will continue to check if Vista was legitimately acquired, even after activation. This happens, for example, when downloading additional Microsoft programs. Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given another 30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key, Microsoft said.

    During this grace period warnings will be displayed and Vista will block access to the Windows Defender antispyware tool, ReadyBoost memory expansion feature and Aero advanced graphics option, Microsoft said. Also, a persistent text will display in the lower right hand of the screen: "This copy of Windows is not genuine."

    If Vista is not validated after the 30 days, the user will again be locked out.

    As part of the increased effort to make it harder to pirate its products, Microsoft is also changing the way businesses license its software. New licensing systems will replace the current volume license keys, which have been widely abused, Hartje said. "Fifty percent of the piracy, we think, uses keys issued to volume licensing customers," she said.

    Volume license keys are registration codes for products that Microsoft gives out to large organizations in plain text. One key can be used to activate and run an unlimited number of copies of the product, for example Windows XP or Office XP.

    Starting with Vista, Microsoft will offer two different types of keys and offer three different ways to distribute them within an organization. In all cases, some more work will be required on the part of the technology department at a company.

    "They will just need to do a little extra planning," Hartje said.

    The first type of product key to replace the current system is called "multiple activation key," or MAK. An IT pro at a company can install a key on a machine that will then need to be validated online. Alternatively a proxy can be set up centrally to activate multiple systems at once, according to Microsoft.

    The second licensing option is called "key management service," or KMS. This requires the organization to set up a KMS service on the corporate network that will activate client machines. The Vista PCs will silently find the KMS service and activate, according to Microsoft.

    It may seem like businesses will have to count all their licenses, but it's really not as bad as it sounds, said Michael Silver, an analyst with Gartner.

    "It has nothing to do with license counting right now, but companies will need to expend time and effort and some money to administer this, in the name of helping Microsoft recoup revenue lost to piracy," he said. "There needs to be more of a benefit (for customers). Linux and Mac communities will try to make hay with this, but this will not be the tipping point."
     

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