Will Lack of Creativity Hurt Us This Season? (6 Viewers)
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Agree!!!
On one hand i´d like to se a more creativ game and with more options and a more flexible midfield.
On the other Capello win titles. So you have to trust him a bit, and he is building the teams from behind.
I also agree 100% thet anyone of Cassano, DP and Mutu would fit extremly well in the position you´re describing.
On one hand i´d like to se a more creativ game and with more options and a more flexible midfield.
On the other Capello win titles. So you have to trust him a bit, and he is building the teams from behind.
I also agree 100% thet anyone of Cassano, DP and Mutu would fit extremly well in the position you´re describing.
Your absolutely right here, I don't know what the hell that guy is talking about.
...But this text is far more interesting. I agree on certain points, but I don't think that the situation is that critical. Juve does possess the keys to open up every single lock in opponents defence, but I agree with some members that only 4-3-3 will do that against some teams. I think that regular 4-4-2 just casts too much pressure on Zlatan. In this certain point I actually agree with Dominic, Camoranesi and Nedved seemed to give much more long crosses than the others. Now I'm only talking about attacking through the centre of the pitch, so hang on with me. Indeed the others tried a bit of fancy short passes, and even succeeded with those quite often. Both Vieira and Émerson can bring the ball up quite well, but it seems that about 25 metres from goal they are running out of options. This is were Zlatan gets the nod, and I just goddamn hope that he can take the pressure and not suffer sophmore slump as I suspect. They nearly always just pass the ball to Zlatan, and expect him to do something decisive with it. The thing is that Zlatan is heavily guarded, so he can't deliver even half that he'd want to. And then he gets angry and we know the rest, he'll become useless. I don't expect Juve to score that many goals through the centre, unless something is bound to happen on the last days of mercato. Luckily Juve does hold a great platoon of good players on the wings, so Camoranesi, Nedved and Zambrotta indeed have a big roles while attacking too.
...But this text is far more interesting. I agree on certain points, but I don't think that the situation is that critical. Juve does possess the keys to open up every single lock in opponents defence, but I agree with some members that only 4-3-3 will do that against some teams. I think that regular 4-4-2 just casts too much pressure on Zlatan. In this certain point I actually agree with Dominic, Camoranesi and Nedved seemed to give much more long crosses than the others. Now I'm only talking about attacking through the centre of the pitch, so hang on with me. Indeed the others tried a bit of fancy short passes, and even succeeded with those quite often. Both Vieira and Émerson can bring the ball up quite well, but it seems that about 25 metres from goal they are running out of options. This is were Zlatan gets the nod, and I just goddamn hope that he can take the pressure and not suffer sophmore slump as I suspect. They nearly always just pass the ball to Zlatan, and expect him to do something decisive with it. The thing is that Zlatan is heavily guarded, so he can't deliver even half that he'd want to. And then he gets angry and we know the rest, he'll become useless. I don't expect Juve to score that many goals through the centre, unless something is bound to happen on the last days of mercato. Luckily Juve does hold a great platoon of good players on the wings, so Camoranesi, Nedved and Zambrotta indeed have a big roles while attacking too.
that should give us a boost in attack
Unlike some people suggest, fielding Del Piero, Cassano or Mutu instead of Nedved would not improve creativity at all. Cassano is a very unpredictable player, but his style mostly involves dribbling past opponents. We would probably create a bit more chances, but it wouldn't make the team more creative.
What we need is a midfielder who can start an attack. The problem we have now is that the tempo in which attacks are created is too slow. With that midfielder we could cut through enemy midfield better, causing their defense to be caught off guard. Forwards like Zlatan, DP and Cassano will play much better when they have a lot more free space around them.
What we need is a midfielder who can start an attack. The problem we have now is that the tempo in which attacks are created is too slow. With that midfielder we could cut through enemy midfield better, causing their defense to be caught off guard. Forwards like Zlatan, DP and Cassano will play much better when they have a lot more free space around them.
lets be brutally honest here, we shouldnt lack creativity.
Emo and viera will work the midfield which in itself will creat chances.
Camo will be up and down as usual.
As with rambo
What the problem is neddy is coming to the end of his career, rapidly loosiing his edge. THe golden haired hero is loosing his importance.
He was never the crisp passer like a alonso or aimar, but he was all action, which made up for it. Now with age he is loosing that all action effectivness.
Imho all we need to do is put mutu left wing, or get a proper lef winger.
Then the full benefits of emo and vieira will be seen.
Emo and viera will work the midfield which in itself will creat chances.
Camo will be up and down as usual.
As with rambo
What the problem is neddy is coming to the end of his career, rapidly loosiing his edge. THe golden haired hero is loosing his importance.
He was never the crisp passer like a alonso or aimar, but he was all action, which made up for it. Now with age he is loosing that all action effectivness.
Imho all we need to do is put mutu left wing, or get a proper lef winger.
Then the full benefits of emo and vieira will be seen.
For your information, we missed many chances last year, the Juve that I have come to grow up with is a solid Juve with not too many chances but always maximizes the chances we get.
If you watch half of last season and the two matches this year you will see that our finishing move is lacking. We got many goals when Zlatan was very much onform and scoring at will, and it wasn't our midfield that was having the good day.
And from my past experiences from watching Juve, we never were a team with much creativity, we are an efficient team who always manages to capitalize on the few chances we get. That is what is different than this new Juve under Capello which is unable to optimize half chances.
Of course the creativity department is very lacking, but we do hav sufficient enough chances.
Btw, I said finishing moves not the finishing kicks. I have seen many many chances since last year where the situations begons only 1-2 good steps/control which can open a very good goal scoring chance (usually from our forwards).
This also means the runs our strikers make, like I said, we don't have a creative enough team but our strikers Trez and Zlatans aren't exactly making the best runs. Just try and compare the forwards at Milan or Inter, their strikers have better movement near/inside the penalty area added by superb passing/dribbling support from midfield, and u get a fluent attack.
If you watch half of last season and the two matches this year you will see that our finishing move is lacking. We got many goals when Zlatan was very much onform and scoring at will, and it wasn't our midfield that was having the good day.
And from my past experiences from watching Juve, we never were a team with much creativity, we are an efficient team who always manages to capitalize on the few chances we get. That is what is different than this new Juve under Capello which is unable to optimize half chances.
Of course the creativity department is very lacking, but we do hav sufficient enough chances.
Btw, I said finishing moves not the finishing kicks. I have seen many many chances since last year where the situations begons only 1-2 good steps/control which can open a very good goal scoring chance (usually from our forwards).
This also means the runs our strikers make, like I said, we don't have a creative enough team but our strikers Trez and Zlatans aren't exactly making the best runs. Just try and compare the forwards at Milan or Inter, their strikers have better movement near/inside the penalty area added by superb passing/dribbling support from midfield, and u get a fluent attack.
Look at Inter, regardless of their cretivity in midfield they weren't able to create many chances, the goal they got was from a good pass and an even better Adriano run and his heads up pass to veron. Juve on the other hand had many more chances, Zlatan's bad control on 2 vs. 1 situation with Trez, DP missed kick, Zlatan's kick outside the penalty area.
If you watch Inter vs. Trevisio which ended 3-0, you'd notice that Adriano did alot to get his 3 goals. One was purely his move and deadly finish, another was Pizarro's move and Adriano's excellent finish. But to me if it were Zlatan or Trez, they might not have gotten those goals.
That was my reasoning for saying our lack of finishing moves. And I believe it is also lacking, as much as the creativity department. But I think our problems will be sovled when we solve either one.
Either give our strikers more chances, or when our strikers learn to better optimize on the chances and the runs from good build up plays.
If you watch Inter vs. Trevisio which ended 3-0, you'd notice that Adriano did alot to get his 3 goals. One was purely his move and deadly finish, another was Pizarro's move and Adriano's excellent finish. But to me if it were Zlatan or Trez, they might not have gotten those goals.
That was my reasoning for saying our lack of finishing moves. And I believe it is also lacking, as much as the creativity department. But I think our problems will be sovled when we solve either one.
Either give our strikers more chances, or when our strikers learn to better optimize on the chances and the runs from good build up plays.
I won't answer you since I don't want to get that offensive. But this just clarifies the picture that I have of you around in the forums, and yes, it's not that bright.
And if you really think that Adriano and Oba-Oba are good with their moving around the pitch, you haven't even seen them play. But this is totally off-topic, so I'll quit here.
And if you really think that Adriano and Oba-Oba are good with their moving around the pitch, you haven't even seen them play. But this is totally off-topic, so I'll quit here.
I beg to differ. Del Piero, Cassano and Mutu are all a lot more creative than Nedved and they are more natural playmakers as well. There's no doubt in my mind that the team would be more creative and therefore less predictable with Dp, Casso or Mutu operating with a free role somewhere behind the front two. The creative forward would be starting from fairly deep which opens up another option. At present when our strikers get the ball they are usual backing the goal, but if DP, Cass or Mutu start in a deeper position they can take on defenders if they wish. Personally I think the trident would see an increase in creativity, chances created and ultimately goals if used correctly.
I think that the examples you have given have more to do with creating than finishing. Adriano created his first goal for himself and Pizarro created the third one. Sure, the finishes were excellent, but Adriano only found himself in the position to finish because those chances developed as a result of individual skill and the player's creativity. We don't have a central midfielder in the side who could have provided an assist similar to the one Pizarro did.
How would you rather Juve play; create ten good chances and take three or four of them or create three chances and take two of them? The more chances we create the more likely we are to put one away.
How would you rather Juve play; create ten good chances and take three or four of them or create three chances and take two of them? The more chances we create the more likely we are to put one away.
I won't say anything until I see a few more matches.. I've seen a lot of arsenal games, and I've realised that vieira can be quite the creative player.. and so is Il Puma if he has the liberty to go forward.. maybe that'll be adequate.. but Stuart's formation has to be the only solution if we were without a creative attacking AM..
But what I also see quite frequently is not much support for the strikers, and with every long ball we resort to there is always a huge gap between the forwards and midfielders. Zlatan will have the ball all by himself with no support around him, and with our tactics we saw the problem this posed last year against Liverpool....we couldn't even hold on to the ball for very long in our attacking third. The easy way to solve this problem would be to just field three forwards like Stuart is suggesting and we will have much more support in attack. As I said, that, along with creativity, are our two major problems facing us going forward.