Why are Fifa/Uefa still waiting with the refereeing improvements? (2 Viewers)

[swag]

I fundamentally disagree with Greg. In this situation, he thinks he's sticking it to TV viewers from around the globe at the expense of the integrity of the game and deserved teams hurt by poor calls. But the problem is, he's actually throwing the arm-chair pundits a bone by not correcting the poor calls made on the pitch, made for whatever reason. If you eliminate ridiculous calls and non-calls like this Henry debacle yesterday, you eliminate the leather lazy-boy folks who think they know better or believe they could do a better job than the people on the pitch. Correct the calls then and there, and you leave the leechfucks with nothing else to discuss.

But they aren't really leechfucks, though. Not everyone can attend a single match that is watched by millions around the globe, so this criticism of the television spectators isn't very fair.

The real solution is better officiating standards and better officials. The NFL introduced all sorts of rules with replay cameras, etc. I don't think they added much to the sport at all -- even for the armchair viewer.

But kowtowing to the leather La-Z-Boy folks isn't the answer.

We may as just rid the game of officials and have everyone with a TV remote vote on whether or not a ball was in play or not, offsides or not, a handball or not, etc. It will be like "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire?", except "phone a friend" will be for each coach on any contentious play. Everybody watching on TV gets empowered from their superior perspective of the game with a beer in hand and a bowl of nachos in their laps. Done, done, and done. The sport and everyone is a winner. Yay for football.

 

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[Stephan]

but the game in essence is played the players not the spectators, and if a rule goes both for and against your team at the end it evens out somehow. Those tech improvements will be too disruptive, who not introduce time-outs then and just play good old american football

We dont need replay system. They could just use more referees. Put extra referee in the back of both goals. So they can see the most important calls (goal or not, handball, dive in the box).

It wont be that hard. They already used it in some U-20 tournament. But we need changes. Screw the "football is a game with certain rules, and bad calls are part of it". If you would be irish, you would hate what happened yesterday. And it could happen to everyone. What if Juve gets cheated this way in CL semi-final next spring?

 

[swag]

but the game in essence is played the players not the spectators, and if a rule goes both for and against your team at the end it evens out somehow. Those tech improvements will be too disruptive, who not introduce time-outs then and just play good old american football

I hadn't even thought of the implications of halting a match for a review from the replay booth. What a complete mess that would be.

I'm with Stephan that more officials might be a better solution than more video cameras.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But I'm just talking about goal-line replays, not replays on whatever else happens on the pitch. The goals are matter. Nowadays you also have decisions on bans made by TV replay, so why not goals?

Yes, the game is to be played on the pitch, but one could easily have a 5th official right next to a TV screen besides the pitch, with the referee taking the time to confer if there are doubts over the goal. I don't see much of a problem with that as long as it doesn't take more than a couple minutes to occur.

And yesterday there wasn't any evening out for the Irish -- Anelka went down easily.

though what you say sounds logical, in practice it will open pandora's box imoafter the goal line review teams will want offside review handball review corner kick review!!

 

[swag]

though what you say sounds logical, in practice it will open pandora's box imoafter the goal line review teams will want offside review handball review corner kick review!!

It's the rule of unforseen consequences. When you open Pandora's box to be able to question any judgements made by an official, anything that could go against you must be questioned/challenged otherwise you are failing your team. In Italian sports, this would be like taking the dive and the referee whine to a higher level.

 

[Stephan]

Some say, look Maradona hand of god, etc. Thats history, football has changed a lot, we have had golden goals, silver goals. Football should improve for the better, and its clear we need improvements. If this happened in a league game, big deal i guess. But Ireland will have to wait another 4 years till next WC and could very likely not gona happen another chance like this.

And they didnt loose because of being unlucky or getting outplayed. They loose because Henry decides to cheat.

Basically what he says, makes him look even bigger ass. One can argue that Henry promotes cheating.

And then we have all this HUGE fuss about fair play. FIFA is promoting this campaign in every game. Why? Whats the point? Its a joke.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

We dont need replay system. They could just use more referees. Put extra referee in the back of both goals. So they can see the most important calls (goal or not, handball, dive in the box).

It wont be that hard. They already used it in some U-20 tournament. But we need changes. Screw the "football is a game with certain rules, and bad calls are part of it". If you would be irish, you would hate what happened yesterday. And it could happen to everyone. What if Juve gets cheated this way in CL semi-final next spring?

That i can agree with, and i recognize the flow of emotions the irish feel right now but it wasnt out of malice from the ref so its relly a case of hard luck mixed with some very normal player gamesmanship

 

[Nicholas]

Would the ref not rely on his Linesman in such a situation? is the Linesman not as equally to blame?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's the rule of unforseen consequences. When you open Pandora's box to be able to question any judgements made by an official, anything that could go against you must be questioned/challenged otherwise you are failing your team. In Italian sports, this would be like taking the dive and the referee whine to a higher level.

and you re also failing the system you put in place; i personally dont want to see booth reviews in football

 

[Bjerknes]

The real solution is better officiating standards and better officials. The NFL introduced all sorts of rules with replay cameras, etc. I don't think they added much to the sport at all -- even for the armchair viewer.

But kowtowing to the leather La-Z-Boy folks isn't the answer.

We may as just rid the game of officials and have everyone with a TV remote vote on whether or not a ball was in play or not, offsides or not, a handball or not, etc. It will be like "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire?", except "phone a friend" will be for each coach on any contentious play. Everybody watching on TV gets empowered from their superior perspective of the game with a beer in hand and a bowl of nachos in their laps. Done, done, and done. The sport and everyone is a winner. Yay for football.

Good luck with that. Unless you're a fan of bio-engineering, only so much is physically possible as a human.

It's not about adding to the sport, but rather getting the calls correct.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Good luck with that. Unless you're a fan of bio-engineering, only so much is physically possible as a human.

It's not about adding to the sport, but rather getting the calls correct.

Dr mengele? wheres burke when you need him

 

[Alen]

We dont need replay system. They could just use more referees. Put extra referee in the back of both goals. So they can see the most important calls (goal or not, handball, dive in the box).

It wont be that hard. They already used it in some U-20 tournament. But we need changes. Screw the "football is a game with certain rules, and bad calls are part of it". If you would be irish, you would hate what happened yesterday. And it could happen to everyone. What if Juve gets cheated this way in CL semi-final next spring?

I watched Everton-Benfica in UEFA Cup some 2-3 weeks ago.
There were two additional referees behind the goals.

So obviously UEFA is experimenting with that. If the results in the end of the year are good, then the two referees will be officially added.

 

[Stephan]

I dont even have anything against Henry, but i totally disagree with "everyone would have done it". And funnily large part of media is backing him. Because his such a icon. Ironically those same people call Italian clubs cheat, italian/spanish players diving rats etc.

Its such a joke. I really hope Henry gets banned from WC.

I mean Juve gets sent to B by match-fixing. Henry cheats and ruins the dream of a nation, he cheats in his own, and we forgive him with statements like anyone would have done it? DISGRACE.

 

[The Curr]

I watched Everton-Benfica in UEFA Cup some 2-3 weeks ago.
There were two additional referees behind the goals.

So obviously UEFA is experimenting with that. If the results in the end of the year are good, then the two referees will be officially added.

They've been doing that in every Europa League match this season.

 

[swag]

And they didnt loose because of being unlucky or getting outplayed. They loose because Henry decides to cheat.

Let's not forget that if this went to PKs, Ireland could have just as easily lost. It's not like Ireland was a guaranteed winner without that handball.

Still...

Would the ref not rely on his Linesman in such a situation? is the Linesman not as equally to blame?

I think there was a real failure there. Henry aside, the referees have to be criticized for their ability to be duped by this. They didn't have a game of such major implications covered well enough. They didn't ask enough questions or raise any concerns.

If a referee allows this to happen on their watch, I would expect them to be demoted from their international duties for a while or something like that. You cannot have part-blind or unobservant officiating teams running matches of that importance. They just aren't that qualified anymore.

There are OK, good, and very good referees who make varying degrees of better decisions, varying degrees of observational intelligence, etc. There must be a weeding out of those who are qualified and those who are not. No bio-engineering required... only referee Darwinism.

 

[Stephan]

I watched Everton-Benfica in UEFA Cup some 2-3 weeks ago.
There were two additional referees behind the goals.

So obviously UEFA is experimenting with that. If the results in the end of the year are good, then the two referees will be officially added.

Why are they waiting with it for so long. Get it done already.

But i know why, next playoffs some big heavyweight needs a helping hand again.

 

[Bjerknes]

But the linesman may not have seen it either. You have to remember that there are 23 people on the pitch along with posts that obscure views, so even the linesman might not see something so blatant.

And even with someone behind the goal, I bet you that you would STILL have situations such as these.

 

[Stephan]

Let's not forget that if this went to PKs, Ireland could have just as easily lost. It's not like Ireland was a guaranteed winner without that handball.

I agree, but it could have happened. Well both would have happened. Makes the outcome even worse. What a terrible way to win/loose your WC place.

 

[Alen]

They've been doing that in every Europa League match this season.

Oh, didn't know that.
This means that they're really serious about it.

 

[Bjerknes]

I dont even have anything against Henry, but i totally disagree with "everyone would have done it". And funnily large part of media is backing him. Because his such a icon. Ironically those same people call Italian clubs cheat, italian/spanish players diving rats etc.

Its such a joke. I really hope Henry gets banned from WC.

I mean Juve gets sent to B by match-fixing. Henry cheats and ruins the dream of a nation, he cheats in his own, and we forgive him with statements like anyone would have done it? DISGRACE.

It's all hypocrisy, just like the Amauri-Azzurri issue.