Who killed JFK? (1 Viewer)

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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#41
Not that arguing with Turk makes any sense, but it is quite ironic that JFK was actually the president to initiate a military alliance between the US & Israel :D

As a sidequestion, why is JFK regarded as this kind of saviour-figure? As far as I can see, his (short) administration doesn't differ that much from what previous or following presidents did.

On the other hand, I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the matter, far from it, so does anyone know what he did to get his special status? Or is it really just a case of him simply being a charismatic & popular president coupled with him being murdered?
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#42
Not that arguing with Turk makes any sense, but it is quite ironic that JFK was actually the president to initiate a military alliance between the US & Israel :D

As a sidequestion, why is JFK regarded as this kind of saviour-figure? As far as I can see, his (short) administration doesn't differ that much from what previous or following presidents did.

On the other hand, I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the matter, far from it, so does anyone know what he did to get his special status? Or is it really just a case of him simply being a charismatic & popular president coupled with him being murdered?
I assume so.

Because it can't be because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
 
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Dec 16, 2003
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#43
On the other hand, I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the matter, far from it, so does anyone know what he did to get his special status? Or is it really just a case of him simply being a charismatic & popular president coupled with him being murdered?
His charismatic definitely played a role, also for the fact that he was the youngest ever elected President of the United States. The media loved him he was young and had a good looking wife and it was probably the first time a good looking president with a pretty wife, they grabbed attention everywhere.

And of course avoiding a nuclear war with the Soviet, that was a big bonus on his CV.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#44
His charismatic definitely played a role, also for the fact that he was the youngest ever elected President of the United States. The media loved him because he was young and had a good looking wife and it was probably the first time a good looking president with a pretty wife, they grabbed attention everywhere.

And of course avoiding a nuclear war with the Soviet, that was a big bonus on his CV.
By approving the bay of pigs invasion?
 

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Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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His charismatic definitely played a role, also for the fact that he was the youngest ever elected President of the United States. The media loved him he was young and had a good looking wife and it was probably the first time a good looking president with a pretty wife, they grabbed attention everywhere.

And of course avoiding a nuclear war with the Soviet, that was a big bonus on his CV.
His achievements there seem to have mostly been a big smokescreen though

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/

But yeah, that's the only real non-superficial reason I could find as well.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#47
Well, he did make it up after-all, it was an embarrassment but he worked and played it pretty smart and safe after-wards with the Soviet.
It's still not very good if your biggest achievement is minimising the outfall from your own bad decision.
 
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His achievements there seem to have mostly been a big smokescreen though

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/

But yeah, that's the only real non-superficial reason I could find as well.
Maybe non-superficial reason but it was a brave move with balls.

Soviet Union agreed to dismantle its weapons in Cuba and bring them back while the United States agreed that they would not invade Cuba. Secretly it was also agreed that US would remove its nuclear missiles from Turkey but wouldn’t declare so publicly/media.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#49
His achievements there seem to have mostly been a big smokescreen though

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/

But yeah, that's the only real non-superficial reason I could find as well.

If most scolars agree the closest we came to an actual nuclear confrontation was the Cuban Missile Crisis, they also agree that the bay of pigs invasion was the direct cause of the Cuban Missile Crisis and that the invasion was approved by Kennedy, clearly Kennedy would most likely be the president who has done worst in this aspect.
 
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#50
It's still not very good if your biggest achievement is minimising the outfall from your own bad decision.
It was a stupid decision to say the least but to turn it around and mostly in your favor against the Soviets, that's something.

Just imagine Trump, Obama or Bush reversing their own bad decisions.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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#51
Maybe non-superficial reason but it was a brave move with balls.

Soviet Union agreed to dismantle its weapons in Cuba and bring them back while the United States agreed that they would not invade Cuba. Secretly it was also agreed that US would remove its nuclear missiles from Turkey but wouldn’t declare so publicly/media.
Non-superficial is a good thing :D

And even if it was a smokescreen, it would still explain his reputation.

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It's still not very good if your biggest achievement is minimising the outfall from your own bad decision.
I'd say his biggest achievement from what I've seen was laying the groundwork for the Civil Rights Act, but overall he seems to have as mixed a resume as most presidents.

Like, he also started US meddlings in Vietnam.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#53
I'd say his biggest achievement from what I've seen was laying the groundwork for the Civil Rights Act, but overall he seems to have as mixed a resume as most presidents.

Like, he also started US meddlings in Vietnam.

Being US president is probably an impossible job. Any president is going to do good and bad things. They're under constant stress and have to make huge calls every single day. Of course there are going to be poor decisions among them. And JFK was no different. The reason people are still talking about him now is that they liked him.
 
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#54
Being US president is probably an impossible job. Any president is going to do good and bad things. They're under constant stress and have to make huge calls every single day. Of course there are going to be poor decisions among them. And JFK was no different. The reason people are still talking about him now is that they liked him.
It's actually fucked up, technically you're the most powerful man in the world but it's still fucked up and will eat the stress out of you unless you are Donald Trump.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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#55
Not sure if serious here :D
:D

there's a hungarian blog about conspiracy theories. a retired police officer runs it, and it's a good read when you take a dump and have a couple of minutes to just read something. the guy does his best to cover both the available facts and the conspiracy theories about selected topics like migration, the icelandic volcano, bruce lee's, kurt kobain's or dead's (per ohlin, mayhem's former singer) death, dyatlov pass incident, etc, and of course jfk's death. i just took the 3 most ridiculous theories from that article.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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#56
And their motive in your opinion? JFK had a lot more on his agenda than Israel and I'm not sure how influential they were back in the 60's.
As i said, they made an example of him. They designed USA as an instrument of their will, JFK acted independently. They wouldn't have it and they didn't. They made French decapitate their queen, Russians massacre family of Tsar and Turks exile their royal family. They had influence even way before than the 60's.
 

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Sep 4, 2006
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As i said, they made an example of him. They designed USA as an instrument of their will, JFK acted independently. They wouldn't have it and they didn't. They made French decapitate their queen, Russians massacre family of Tsar and Turks exile their royal family. They had influence even way before than the 60's.
Did israel even exist yet when most of this stuff occurred?
 

Hustini

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May 29, 2005
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#60
It's been a while now watching several documentaries about JFK and the conspiracy of the assassination and this week I'll also watch this series called "11.22.63" that was released last year I guess, yes that's how desperate I become when I start with a documentary:D. Anyway, before I finish with JFK documentaries/series and check some other stuff I thought I'd ask here those who have followed or read about the assassination, if they had to point a finger at some direction, who would it be pointed at and why?

Of course the conspiracy of Lee Oswald acted alone is still considered by many in States even though Oswald was assassinated himself few days later.

Other conspiracy theories suggest the CIA had part in this and used Oswald, the Mafia are also not excluded considering how powerful they were back in the days or even Cuba/Soviet Union and many other conspiracies.

Who do you think was involved or orchestrated the assassination?
Ask Turk.
 

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