Who is this Allah? (15 Viewers)

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Platypii haha sorry, I'm a bit anal about these things sometimes

Well, Islam doesn't treat all the other religions equally...
There is a big difference between the [Jews and Christians who are "People of the Book,"] and the unbelievers who have either no religion at all or have a different religion other than Christianity or Judism...

Interesting, I didn't know that. Would you please expand on that?

Thanks for posting those passages ReBeL, they served to build on my understanding of Islam.

However, regarding the "Love" issue", I would like to assure you that you cannot be more mistaken. How could Muslims feel that god is "distant" from them when they pray five times a day?

If I may ask, what are the kinds of prayers that Muslims pray at these five times during the day? You mentioned that there are different prayers for different things you do, but I don't know anything about the actual prayers that are prayed.

(by the way, I'm not disregarding the rest of your post by only quoting a small amount; it's all been well noted )

"Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good" 3-134 (spend as in spend in charity)

Does Allah love those who don't do good? I'm asking because my main point in this thread is not to attack Islam in any way, or to dispute one's own beliefs with them, but to distinguish between the different characteristics that are seen in the God of each religion (though I must note that each such discussion as this goes a certain way towards rectifying my embarassing lack of knowledge concerning Islam).

The reason being, if Allah of Islam does not also love those who don't do good, then I don't really think it can be said that the God of Christianity and the God of Islam are one and the same. This may seem a small distinction to some people, but the same God cannot love and not love the same person.

That's also the reason I posted about Jesus, the Son of God, being part of a triune Godhead (something that the Quran explicitly states can not be the case with Islam's Allah): not to try and determine the differences between the respective religions, but to explain why I'm convinced that the two 'Gods' are different in character and being.

Also, the two 'God's can not be one and the same if their 'requirements' for entering heaven are different (Christianity being dependent on salvation by grace alone, and Islam requiring that one keeps the 'balance' of their lives with good works and adherance to religion).

 

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[JCK]

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Maybe you should warn directly

 

[Dilzy]

Platypii haha sorry, I'm a bit anal about these things sometimes


Interesting, I didn't know that. Would you please expand on that?

Thanks for posting those passages ReBeL, they served to build on my understanding of Islam.


If I may ask, what are the kinds of prayers that Muslims pray at these five times during the day? You mentioned that there are different prayers for different things you do, but I don't know anything about the actual prayers that are prayed.

The God of Christians says that he wants to be our "friend", and calls us his "children". You said that Islam's Allah is close to his people and hears them, but is that said in the same context in which the Bible describes God's 'closeness' with his creations?

(by the way, I'm not disregarding the rest of your post by only quoting a small amount; it's all been well noted )



Does Allah love those who don't do good? I'm asking because my main point in this thread is not to attack Islam in any way, or to dispute one's own beliefs with them, but to distinguish between the different characteristics that are seen in the God of each religion (though I must note that each such discussion as this goes a certain way towards rectifying my embarassing lack of knowledge concerning Islam).

The reason being, if Allah of Islam does not also love those who don't do good, then I don't really think it can be said that the God of Christianity and the God of Islam are one and the same. This may seem a small distinction to some people, but the same God cannot love and not love the same person.

That's also the reason I posted about Jesus, the Son of God, being part of a triune Godhead (something that the Quran explicitly states can not be the case with Islam's Allah): not to try and determine the differences between the respective religions, but to explain why I'm convinced that the two 'Gods' are different in character and being.

I thought it might be platypii! Hehe thanks anyway

Regarding Muslim prayer, there are 5 main prayers throughout the day. One before the sun rises (Fajr, meaning Dawn in Arabic), one at noon (Duhr), one in the afternoon ('aasr), one in the evening (Maghrib), and one at night ('iisha). This may seem daunting, but they are relatively short and do not take more than 5 minutes. These are called the fard, or compulsory prayers, that all Muslims should do. With each prayer there are extra ‘small’ prayers, called sunnah, they are not compulsory, but performing them is desired because the prophet Mohammad used to pray them. I am just giving you a general idea, each prayer is distinct and differs from the other, as is the case with the sunnah prayers too. There are also other types of prayers, like Al Nawafel, which aren’t compulsory, but can be performed whenever a Muslim desires to pray.

Regarding the Muslim Allah versus the Christian God, Islam differs in that Muslims don’t consider Allah to be a trinity. Jesus (‘Issa –saws-) is a significant prophet to Muslims, but that is all he is. A prophet. Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, he was just a messenger, bringing to the people God’s word. Muslims do not believe that God has/had any sons, his divinity does not associate him with anything human.

The Unity
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[112.1] Say: He, Allah, is One.
[112.2] Allah is He on Whom all depend.
[112.3] He begets not, nor is He begotten.
[112.4] And none is like Him.

So in that sense, there is a huge difference in the characteristics of the Muslim and Christian God(s). The point I was trying to emphasize earlier was that the word Allah linguistically means God, so the Christian God or Yahweh would be Allah if they were to be translated into the Arabic language.

Hope this helps!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Altair, Are you really in Thailand now??

not at the moment good sir.

if one says that The god in Christianity is deifferent from the one in Islam; then he's surely different from the one in the old testament.

 

[ReBeL]

Interesting, I didn't know that. Would you please expand on that?

Thanks for posting those passages ReBeL, they served to build on my understanding of Islam.

You're so welcome, gray...

I tried to gather a number of verses from Quran that may answer your questions in this thread. If you you want any more clarifications, don't EVER hesitate to ask...

Well, reading Qura'n just guides everybody as how to treat each non-Muslim person in this world...

As I said previously, it differentiate between Christians and jews (Followers of the Book) and the followers of other religions or the athiests...

First, this verse assures everybody that the God of Muslims and the followers of the Book is the same God...

ولا تجادلوا اهل الكتاب الاّ بالتي هي احسن الاّ الذين ظلموا منهم و قولوا
آمنّا بالذي انزل الينا و انزل اليكم والهنا و الهكم واحد و نحن له
مسلمون​

"And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we surrender."

While read this Surah about the unbelievers:

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ(1) لاَ أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ(2) وَلاَ أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ(3) وَلاَ أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدتُّمْ(4) وَلاَ أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ(5) لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ(6)

“Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.” (109:1-6)"

Islam urges all Muslims to deal kindly and justly with all people. Muslims should have good relations with all people. At school, at work, in your neighborhood, etc., you should be kind and courteous to everyone. Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. Allah has clearly forbidden Muslims from fighting those who fight not their faith or drive them out from their homes.

لا ينهاكم الله عن الذين لم يقاتلوكم في الدين و لم يخرجوكم من دياركم ان
تبرّوهم و تقسطوا اليهم انّ الله يحب المقسطين​

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[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

The next verse says that the christians is the nearest people to the Muslims because of their their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.

ولتجدنّ اقربهم مودّة للذين آمنوا الذين قالوا انا نصارى ذلك بأنّ منهم
قسّيسين
و رهباناً وانهم لا يستكبرون. (سورة المائدة,آية 82 )​

5:82. " . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: 'We are Christians.' That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud."

So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them "nearest in love" to the Muslims!

About the punishment for non-Muslims by God, and your question if God loves all the humans or only the Muslims, I think you can find the answer in the next verse:

ان الذين آمنوا و الذين هادوا و النصارى و الصابئين من آمن بالله و اليوم
الآخرو عمل صالحاً فلهم اجرهم عند ربّهم و لا خوف عليهم ولا هم يحزنون.
(سورة
البقرة آية 62)​

[2:62] "Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

Finally, there is a verse that makes a big dispute between Non-muslims which is:

[O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51)

It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other.

I hope this was useful...

 

[sateeh]

+rep Rebel great explanation

 

[GordoDeCentral]

or as one would say rebellissimo

 

[Il Re]

or as one would say rebellissimo

+ rep

 

[el_02]

Since we are getting close to the holy month of Ramadhan...

I just wanna say to all... Please forgive me for all of my mistakes, either intended or unintended...

And for all Moslems... May we have a blessed Ramadhan...

 

[Azzurri7]

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ

Thats one of my fav quotes.

 

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What does it say?

 

[Azzurri7]

What does it say?

"You have your own Religion, and I have mine"

 

[el_02]

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ

Thats one of my fav quotes.

Yup, Al Maaidah:3, that's top list of my favorite too...

 

[d.nico]

"You have your own Religion, and I have mine"

 

[AbuGadanzieri]

Since we are getting close to the holy month of Ramadhan...

I just wanna say to all... Please forgive me for all of my mistakes, either intended or unintended...

And for all Moslems... May we have a blessed Ramadhan...

me too

 

[Elvin]

ALLAH is a genious

 

[Azzurri7]

Since we are getting close to the holy month of Ramadhan...

I just wanna say to all... Please forgive me for all of my mistakes, either intended or unintended...

And for all Moslems... May we have a blessed Ramadhan...

Interesting.

You really think you'll be forgiven If you were to fast in Ramadan?

 

[el_02]

Interesting.

You really think you'll be forgiven If you were to fast in Ramadan?

No, that's not my point...

I used to ask forgiveness before Ramadhan came.. don't you?
Don't you want to be clean from ur sins before Ramadhan?
I think we didn't have to wait until Eid Al-Fithr to do it..

 

[AbuGadanzieri]

Interesting.

You really think you'll be forgiven If you were to fast in Ramadan?

there is a difference

fasting in ramadan is not chosing thing for muslims but its fardh you have to do or you will be get punish

right you will be for given for past sense but also you will be not punished for not fasting

i hope you will fast

 

[Azzurri7]

No, that's not my point...

I used to ask forgiveness before Ramadhan came.. don't you?
Don't you want to be clean from ur sins before Ramadhan?
I think we didn't have to wait until Eid Al-Fithr to do it..

I always want to be clean, whether there's Ramadan or not. I believe I should be clean with myself and the rest whether Ramadan exists or not.

Eveyone ask forgiveness, If not from god, then from himself. I make sure to have good history and background, help poor people, be honest with myself and with the others. I think then I wont need forgiveness from no one.