Who is this Allah? (11 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

But my therapist says it'll pay off in the long run

if you look anything like your avatar, your therapist meant: go to chiang mai meet me,get loaded on singhas, coca leaves, and carnal dopamine

 

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[Dilzy]

if you look anything like your avatar, your therapist meant: go to chiang mai meet me,get loaded on singhas, coca leaves, and carnal dopamine

And procreate, perhaps?

 

[Kathy]

This is very well said. We beleive what we believe and let others do the same. We need to focus on what we have in common. We all beleive in the GOD of Abraham. The Eternal One. We just see Him from a different point of view. God bless you all.

Thank you for understand me

but ı dont like this situation same news ect... not good smell could u understand

religions is too sensitive feel for all people. This situation too dangeraus. ı invite all peoples commonsense.


God bless u as well

 

[JCK]

@at rebel, i dont think abdel nasser was useless what so ever u cant even compare him with any current leader in the region what so ever. at least during his time we arabs had pride and an independant opinion regarding our issues unlike now (u know what i mean) and lets not forget he benefited all the arabs not just eygptains ( he helped yemen out although i think it was a massivce mistake he got the army involved, and he also helped out several countries in the region get there independence). he did mistakes i agree with that but i also think he did loads of good things for the arab region and def for eygpt. althought i def prefer sadat over him for other reasons but i think he is the greatest arab leader in the modern history.

Jamal and the Palestinians is a different story

Palestinians are still waiting for him to liberate them. And on the same note, Palestinians think that all Arab leaders are useless and I don't blame them, they ARE useless.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

And procreate, perhaps?

why would you wanna have my offspring?

 

[Azzurri7]

Jamal and the Palestinians is a different story

Palestinians are still waiting for him to liberate them. And on the same note, Palestinians think that all Arab leaders are useless and I don't blame them, they ARE useless.

Indeed, they're all useless. But It's not their Job to liberate Palestine aswell. (No offence to anyone).

 

[JCK]

Indeed, they're all useless. But It's not their Job to liberate Palestine aswell. (No offence to anyone).

No, it is not but with Abdelnasser it is different. he asked them to leave their land so he can fight Israel and he didn't succeed, so they are still waiting for his victory.

 

[zizoufan]

Really it does? where?

The problem with the bible that it has been translated so much during the centuries that lots of original meaning has become very obsecure. Also, there has been some alterations ***don't kill me Snoop***. However, it is still considered a book from God, Muslims do not take it as a source of legistlation, but could be a source for history. Of course all this IMO

and a lot of versions also :

saint-... version
saint-... version
and roll on

 

[zizoufan]

This is very well said. We beleive what we believe and let others do the same. We need to focus on what we have in common. We all beleive in the GOD of Abraham. The Eternal One. We just see Him from a different point of view. God bless you all.

11 000 americans are converted to islam each year! they said they find the truth in islam. God bless u all

 

[gray]

I'll jump in and add my 2 shekels.

I'm beyond convinced that Islam's Allah and Christianity's Yahweh Jehovah God are NOT the same. Sure, Arabic speaking Christians refer to their God as 'Allah', but let's look beyond the linguistics and examine some fundamentals:

• The entire premise of Christianity that God sent His Son JC to atone for the sins of man. Also, Jesus is part of what is referred to as the Holy Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit).
  
• Yet in the Quran (of course I had to google these passages, since I'm not familiar with the Quran myself), we find in Surah 17 111: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) domain. . ."
  
• Christians believe that salvation from sin is obtained simply by accepting God's gift of mercy and grace for forgiveness through Jesus.
  
  Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
  
• the Quran states:
  
  Surah 23 102, "Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy -- they will attain salvation. . ." (emphasis mine)
  
  (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this next part, as I'm not as familiar with Islam as I'd like to be. My apologies in advance if I've made any false or misleading statements about Islam; these statements are conclusions drawn merely from my (little) study of Islam.)
  
  The Quran teaches that those outside of Islam must be destroyed in Allah's name (sorry, I don't have a Quranic passsage to back this one up, and again I apologise if my statements are unfounded), whereas the Christian God is one characterised by love.
  
  Luke 6:27-31 says: "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you"
  
  One more thing: The Allah of the Quran is "unknowable", whereas the Christian God wants to have a personal relationship with all of his children

 

[Zé Tahir]

The Quran teaches that those outside of Islam must be destroyed in Allah's name (sorry, I don't have a Quranic passsage to back this one up, and again I apologise if my statements are unfounded), whereas the Christian God is one characterised by love.

Luke 6:27-31 says: "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you"

I'm sorry Gray, but this lack of knowledge is beyond any excuse you may have. This is basic stuff. Obvisouly I don't expect you to know Islam in depth, but this is basic stuff. We're talking about the youngest, the 2nd largest and the fastest spreading religion in the world, not some small cult.

One more thing: The Allah of the Quran is "unknowable", whereas the Christian God wants to have a personal relationship with all of his children[/list]

Could you please elaborate on this?

 

[gray]

I'm sorry Gray, but this lack of knowledge is beyond any excuse you may have. This is basic stuff. Obvisouly I don't expect you to know Islam in depth, but this is basic stuff. We're talking about the youngest, the 2nd largest and the fastest spreading religion in the world, not some small cult.

My apologies again; I know that what I said sounded like a very harsh and sweeping statement, but it's the little that I've gathered. Would you possibly be able to point me in the direction of some Quranic passages on the matter of other religions/those outside of Islam?

Could you please elaborate on this?

As far as I'm aware, the Allah of Islam is distant and impersonal. I understand that Muslims refer to Allah as merciful and compassionate, but not in the same terms as Christians view them, in that the God of the Bible is one who is said to walk with his children and desire a personal relationship with each of them.

 

[Zé Tahir]

My apologies again; I know that what I said sounded like a very harsh and sweeping statement, but it's the little that I've gathered. Would you possibly be able to point me in the direction of some Quranic passages on the matter of other religions/those outside of Islam?

As far as I'm aware, the Allah of Islam is distant and impersonal. I understand that Muslims refer to Allah as merciful and compassionate, but not in the same terms as Christians view them, in that the God of the Bible is one who is said to walk with his children and desire a personal relationship with each of them.

I'll be more than happy to. Right now I'm at work, when I get home I'll post them on here. As for the relationship between Allah and us is different because remember that the God in Christianity was a living and walking person on earth. Other than that, there is no differenseI can think off. I can go into depth about this when I get home as well.

 

[ReBeL]

i agree with what u r tryig to say bec its the sad reality we r living in at the moment specially in the arab world.

regarding why some arabs (whether they r muslims or chrisitans) are ashamed of there arabic roots. well in my own opinion the answer is very simple its cos of our current situation, we were once a leading ethical group with loads and loads of discoveries in nearly all sects of life from maths to very advanced biology. i am no expert in arabic poems or in other words, poems writen before or after our prophet mohammed so i wil leave this point out for rami to explain. in brief we were a very sophisiticated group with loads of pride!!!. now look at us i think we r just useless. this is not the fault of people like me or any other arab its the fault of regimes that have made massive mistakes towards its people.
i cant deny sometimes i hate the fact i am an arab but i also have faith in tomorrow i am quite sure we will be the same as what we used to be like.

I totally agree...

@at rebel, i dont think abdel nasser was useless what so ever u cant even compare him with any current leader in the region what so ever. at least during his time we arabs had pride and an independant opinion regarding our issues unlike now (u know what i mean) and lets not forget he benefited all the arabs not just eygptains ( he helped yemen out although i think it was a massivce mistake he got the army involved, and he also helped out several countries in the region get there independence). he did mistakes i agree with that but i also think he did loads of good things for the arab region and def for eygpt. althought i def prefer sadat over him for other reasons but i think he is the greatest arab leader in the modern history.

Well, Abdelnaser was really an extraordianry man relative to other leaders in his time, and currently, but he was surrounded by UNqualified people who had nothing to do with politics, except their friendship with him, like AbdelHakeem Amer, for example, who was one of the main reasons for 1967 defeat...

About Sadat, I don't want to talk very much about him, because I don't think my sentences will be insultless regarding him...

He didn't do anything spectacular for the country, and the sacrifices of the Egyptian army in 1973 was enough reason to regain Senae peninsuela, so it was not only his visit to Israel that made that great impact on the process of regaining Senae peninsuela...

 

[ReBeL]

I want balls already.

Well, ask for them in your neighbourhood...

 

[swag]

Take it from an outsider to both: they're the same.

 

[ReBeL]

Jamal and the Palestinians is a different story

Palestinians are still waiting for him to liberate them. And on the same note, Palestinians think that all Arab leaders are useless and I don't blame them, they ARE useless.

Exactly...

Although I think Palestinians themselves were the most guilty party for losing the land...

 

[ReBeL]

My apologies again; I know that what I said sounded like a very harsh and sweeping statement, but it's the little that I've gathered. Would you possibly be able to point me in the direction of some Quranic passages on the matter of other religions/those outside of Islam?

Well, Islam doesn't treat all the other religions equally...

There is a big difference between the [Jews and Christians who are "People of the Book,"] and the unbelievers who have either no religion at all or have a different religion other than Christianity or Judism...

The Qur'anic verses specifically direct:

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. (2:190)

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost. (47:4)

And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage...But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know. (9:3-6)

 

[JCK]

Exactly...

Although I think Palestinians themselves were the most guilty party for losing the land...

Of course they are, why would they listen to the Egyptian leader telling them he will liberate the land?

 

[ReBeL]

Of course they are, why would they listen to the Egyptian leader telling them he will liberate the land?

Too bad they overestimated his capabilities...