Who is this Allah? (2 Viewers)

[Byrone]

Ah what the hell...I'm in my lunch break so I'll make it quick....

@ Byrone and Eddy:

This is an issue of identity...books have been written about this subject, try On Identity by Amin Maalouf, a Lebanese/French.

Regarding the Arab identity, some may feel that Arab is synonymous with Islam. So non-Muslims feel threatened by the notion of Arabism and classifying themselves as Arabs.

In addition to this some people associate Arab culture as desert-bedouin culture. Seeing as Lebanon is probably the only M.E. country not to have a desert, or bedouin culture...this may be another reason why our history and cultural aspects may be different than the rest of the Arab world.

On the other hand, Lebanon has contributed tremendously to Arabic heritage and folklore in the form of Khalil Gibran, one of the greatest writers in the ARABIC language. Fairouz, the famous singer, also deserves a worthy mention for her traditional songs and plays. My personal favorite "Al Qudsu lana" - "Jerusalem is ours" - and ours could mean "Arabs" in this sense. (mind you, both of them are Christian)

There are some extreme cases where some Lebanese factions actually classify our accent or dialect as a separate language. That is an issue of heated debate.

Personally, on a cultural and linguistic level, I am proud of our Arabic speaking heritage...but I guess it stops right there. I despise the acts of modern Arab politicians and leaders...the so-called "Symbols of the Arab Nation"...Arabism died with Gamal Abdel Nasser, God rest his soul.

And that is why I wrote that little "I don't blame them" remark.

Thx for that bro it was good insight for rather than somebody babbling on some rubbish.Western society would label any arabic speaking countries as "arab" & some times its just down to lack of knowledge.

The reason why i asked that question was because i have christian & muslim lebanese friends that have a different point of view on the arabic issue.You clarified it for me quite nicely.

 

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[Kathy]

God Allah is not a different Müslim say Allah Cris say God.Allah God is only one. only call diferent .who is say not one. I believe Qurran and pray by qurran verse. Cris believe testament and pray by biblical pray. For God Allah all servant bleaves same ıam sorry but only people think different. and all religion begining centre asia please read. read Qurran Old testament, New testament.ı believe after understant we are sibling ı was a best familly friend in Germany Paul died in1996 he is same me my grand father. he is catolic but ı always pray him by Qurran for he is sleep well. I bleave my prays arrive him. please stop hostility who is real believes not believe this hostility

God Allşah belive with u

 

[Kathy]

little write wrong sorry

God Allah protect with u

 

[ReBeL]

little write wrong sorry

God Allah protect with u

aldırma, kathy...

Biz seni iyi anlıyoruz...

 

[ĵџvє_вãвγ]

aldırma, kathy...

Biz seni iyi anlıyoruz...

u know turkish


GOD is one & only...********...

 

[Eddy]

not same

..how's that ?

 

[PhRoZeN]

I wonder how long this topic will last :eyebrows:

I will give my insight later on.

 

[JCK]

If my information is correct, the phoenicians all of them moved from the land that is now Lebanon to Tunisia and formed Carthage and there are no Carthagians left. So any Lebanese claiming he or she is Phoenician is just dead.

 

[Sicilian Juve]

great post rhizoid

but i have question for the christians in here....the bible as it is known is written by the 12 followers of Jesus right ? Based on his teachings?
So it is not actually a book based on the teachings from god ? Cuz in the quran it says that the christians should have a book based on the teachings of god not jesus.

Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is titled the eternal Word of God so the bible is of God by God. The new testament was written by his discipiles some of whom were part of the tweleve apostles. (2 Matthew and John). The old Testament was written by Moses and the Prophits. Christians also believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God.

 

[Sicilian Juve]

God Allah is not a different Müslim say Allah Cris say God.Allah God is only one. only call diferent .who is say not one. I believe Qurran and pray by qurran verse. Cris believe testament and pray by biblical pray. For God Allah all servant bleaves same ıam sorry but only people think different. and all religion begining centre asia please read. read Qurran Old testament, New testament.ı believe after understant we are sibling ı was a best familly friend in Germany Paul died in1996 he is same me my grand father. he is catolic but ı always pray him by Qurran for he is sleep well. I bleave my prays arrive him. please stop hostility who is real believes not believe this hostility

God Allşah belive with u

This is very well said. We beleive what we believe and let others do the same. We need to focus on what we have in common. We all beleive in the GOD of Abraham. The Eternal One. We just see Him from a different point of view. God bless you all.

 

[sateeh]

Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is titled the eternal Word of God so the bible is of God by God. The new testament was written by his discipiles some of whom were part of the tweleve apostles. (2 Matthew and John). The old Testament was written by Moses and the Prophits. Christians also believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God.

thanx for the explanation

 

[Sicilian Juve]

thanx for the explanation

Your Welcome.

 

[Rhizoid]

If my information is correct, the phoenicians all of them moved from the land that is now Lebanon to Tunisia and formed Carthage and there are no Carthagians left. So any Lebanese claiming he or she is Phoenician is just dead.

That could be true, I mean if EVVVVERY single Ethnic group wants to sit there and trace their roots, we'd have regional wars every day

It's not like we're not proud of our Phoenician history - on the contrary - it is part of the Lebanese school curriculum.

But to say we are purely Phoenician and obtain DNA tests [I read an article on a Lebanese scientist who did that last year] and try to suddenly change our identity is quite preposterous. We're already confused with the 17 sects/religion in the tiny country, imagine once people start "rediscovering" their Phoenician heritage....chaos

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

..how's that ?

different point is

Muslims dont accept ''God have a son''

 

[Rushy]

I wonder one thing, enlighten me please...
Muslims thinks that Jesus was no son of the lord, but only a prophet. Right?
If Jesus then claimed he was son of God, isn't that like the worst sin ever? or did the muslims don't believe that Jesus claimed he was a son of God/Allah?

 

[TeRRoR]

muslims belive that there is only one God so if Jesus is his son that makes him God in some way and to muslims that is not aceptable (there is only one God and no "partners")
maybe this helps
EDIT: the link was to big

What do Muslims think about Jesus?

Muslims respect and revere Jesus, and await his Second Coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Jesus', but always adds the phrase 'upon him be peace'. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation as follows:

'Behold!' the Angel said, 'God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.'

She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is.' (Quran, 3:42-7)

Jesus was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam into being without a father:

Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was. (Quran, 3:59)

During his prophetic mission Jesus performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said:

I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers and I raise the dead by God's leave. (Quran, 3:49)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in One God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus is reported as saying that he came:

To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey Me. (Quran, 3:5O)

The Prophet Muhammad said:

Whoever believes there is no god but God, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is the servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. (Hadith from Bukhari)

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[mikhail]

I wonder one thing, enlighten me please...
Muslims thinks that Jesus was no son of the lord, but only a prophet. Right?
If Jesus then claimed he was son of God, isn't that like the worst sin ever? or did the muslims don't believe that Jesus claimed he was a son of God/Allah?

I'm no expert on this, but as I understand it, he doesn't explicitly say it in the bible, and Islam isn't exactly enthusiastic about the accuracy of that book in the first place.

Most scholars working in that area seem to think that there is reasonable historical evidence that Jesus existed. Some of them don't believe in any God.

To sum up, I'm not aware of any strong evidence against that position.

 

[Rushy]

I'm no expert on this, but as I understand it, he doesn't explicitly say it in the bible, and Islam isn't exactly enthusiastic about the accuracy of that book in the first place.

Most scholars working in that area seem to think that there is reasonable historical evidence that Jesus existed. Some of them don't believe in any God.

To sum up, I'm not aware of any strong evidence against that position.

ic... apreciate your time...

EDIT: u2 TeRRoR

 

[mikhail]

Just an aside:

maybe this helps...

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in One God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus is reported as saying that he came:

Old Testament: An eye for an eye.
Exodus 21:23-25
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Leviticus 24:18-20
21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deuteronomy 19:21
18 Anyone who takes the life of someone's animal must make restitution—life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured.


New Testament: 77 times seven.
Matthew 18:
21- Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22- Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times seven.

 

[Rushy]

Just an aside:

Old Testament: An eye for an eye.
Exodus 21:23-25
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Leviticus 24:18-20
21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deuteronomy 19:21
18 Anyone who takes the life of someone's animal must make restitution—life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured.


New Testament: 77 times seven.
Matthew 18:
21- Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22- Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times seven.

So, what does this mean?