Come on Enron; forget your friends, the bible clearly idicates the existence of hell.
That's not up for discussion.
I will, however, give you the benefit of the doubt. Explain to me what you think my bible quotations mean.
That's not up for discussion.
I will, however, give you the benefit of the doubt. Explain to me what you think my bible quotations mean.
Hope you don't mind me reorganizing the quotes.
Here goes:
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
-Dude are you kidding me? This doesn't refer to hell at all. In fact, it is a direct reference to the wrath of god, which in this case is brought from the heaven by angels, not from the depths of hell by devils. Stay out of the OT as much as you can with this subject. God does his own dirty work and hands out direct smiting.
"And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched" (Mark 9:45)
- Doing bad things will lead to a bad end.
In a story Jesus tells, the man who is carried away into hell cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME." Luke 16:24
- This is one is quite obvious.
Here is the entire quote:
"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." KJ
-It is obviously a cry for mercy to Jesus, by someone feeling bad about something they have done. In the King James version, hell is not mentioned.
Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:42
-Alone this seems as if it is a direct mention of hell, but when read in context to the previous and following paragraphs.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.(KJ)
-It basically states that angels will come down and cleanse the earth of evil. Whether or not this is a direct reference to hell is up for debate.
Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels: . . ." [Note: hell was never originally prepared for people. However, because we have broken God's laws, God's justice now demands it.] Matthew 25:41
- The 25th chapter of Matthew is about helping those who need it. Helping someone who is sick, poor, or imprisoned. Again it doesn't directly call out hell, but it does hint at a punishment if one fails to lead the righteous life. Which would apparently be dealt out by angels and/or devils. Because of its placement in the context of the chapter it is difficult to say whether or not the everlasting fire is literal or a figurative shunning by society.
Jesus says in Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of HELL FIRE.
-This one is easy. I wrote a paper on this once. This part of Matthew reflects Jesus's teachings on anger. He basically says that being angry at someone without cause is just as bad as killing them. Its a teaching that anger leads down a bad road. Again, I don't think the mention of hell fire is to be take literal.
Jesus says in Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.
-This is generally a warning of the danger of sin. Most importantly those of lust and as it is referred to earlier in the chapter, mocking the followers of Christ.
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.
- Basically says that everyone not "down" goes to hell. I'll concede this one, but I don't like to considering Revelation was written much later in history. The way I view Revelation is as a construct of man warning people to watch out for those who would manipulate them into following a "false" version of Christianity. To me it warns more of fundamentalism than it does the end of the world. But to each his own.
Revelation 14:10 says: "and he shall be tormented with FIRE and BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"
- We should include the entire quote. When you pick and choose you aren't properly analyzing the context of the literature.
" The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"(KJ)
-Again we get a reference to "fire and brimstone" which as we know generally comes from God. In addition, there is a mention of holy angels being present along with the Lamb of God (Jesus). Last time I checked Jesus and the angels were not the keepers of hell. Nor the proprietors of torment.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with FIRE and BRMISTONE: which is the second death.
-Basically states that evil people and non-believer will be ressurected with everyone else but will end up in a burning lake which well end in there second death. It's very figurative. Hell is supposed to be a place of everlasting torment/punishment. This passage mentions a second death. In hell there is no death. The burning lake could represent many things, one of them being that the continuance of old habits will lead to death and the loss of a second chance.
A note on Revelation:
- The words Fire and Brimstone are used many times throughout the Bible, mostly in the NT and the Book of Revelation
- In some cases the f and b comes from the nostrils of horses, which is hardly the fire of hell.
- Revelation is very figurative book of the bible considering we "drink from a cup of indignation" and the many references to Jesus as the Lamb of God, the great city referring to women, and the waters referring to peoples the world.
- This use of figurative language suggests that revelation is not a literal piece, consistency of all things tells us that the Lake of Fire is not to be taken literally.
-When you think of f and b, they aren't used to preserve or punish but to destroy. An example is the story of Soddom and Gomorra.
- The point I am getting at is much of the Bible is written in a figurative tongue. Therefore it is not possible to take a "literal hell" away from it's reading without taking away other literal points, such as chopping one's foot off or tearing away your eyes when you have a dirty thought.
Hope this was helpful. Good luck reading.
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