++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++
so in 6-7 years i will end up like you?
so in 6-7 years i will end up like you?
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Which team do you like to be our next opponent in CL? (4 Viewers)
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I hope not, for the sake of humanity
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++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
I hope not, for the sake of humanity
I hope not, for the sake of humanity
there is no way kily is famous just because he's an argie. I just can't fathom the stupidity of that statement. How on earth do you think he even made it to the agrie squad? maybe because he's a very good player!!
did I say carew is better than trez? no! you put carew so low but he does a damn sight more for his team than trez ever will
last season valencia won la liga because of a solid defence, they hardly scored. This year they score a lot, and have a good defence. They are also kicking arse (literally) in the CL!
i think barca would have been the most difficult opponent we could ever have faced with for this quarter-final tie.
sure, juve is a good team "all out". don't you guys agree? in my honest opinion, i think the teamwork and over-all effort of the whole team is the reason that we are the strongest in italy at the moment. everyone in the team contributes, and the fact that some individual players create wonderful moments of brilliance even makes us more lethal.
but if there would be a weakness in this team, i think it would be the slow defense. montero and juliano, if faced in one-on-one situations with the likes of saviola just gives me nightmares. it is important that we cut of the supply for saviola from the midfield.
anyway, this is just my opinion. i'm no expert here, and as much as i want to show my optimism, i cannot hide the fact that i am worried about saviola matching-up our ageing defense.
let's stick to the topic guys, what do you think?
sure, juve is a good team "all out". don't you guys agree? in my honest opinion, i think the teamwork and over-all effort of the whole team is the reason that we are the strongest in italy at the moment. everyone in the team contributes, and the fact that some individual players create wonderful moments of brilliance even makes us more lethal.
but if there would be a weakness in this team, i think it would be the slow defense. montero and juliano, if faced in one-on-one situations with the likes of saviola just gives me nightmares. it is important that we cut of the supply for saviola from the midfield.
anyway, this is just my opinion. i'm no expert here, and as much as i want to show my optimism, i cannot hide the fact that i am worried about saviola matching-up our ageing defense.
let's stick to the topic guys, what do you think?
i know this reply isn't to me but i just can't accept this statement.
if you're defending carew, i feel an obligation to defend trez.
trez has given so much contribution to the juve cause you know? i have to totally disagree from that statement. he has been the top scorer in the serie a, and for me, that is the best thing that a striker can contribute to his team. now if carew has achieved the same thing for valencia, then my god, there's no need to argue.
if you're defending carew, i feel an obligation to defend trez.
trez has given so much contribution to the juve cause you know? i have to totally disagree from that statement. he has been the top scorer in the serie a, and for me, that is the best thing that a striker can contribute to his team. now if carew has achieved the same thing for valencia, then my god, there's no need to argue.
just look at last season, out of all those goals, how many were scored against the decent teams? I'll wager its about 2!
yes, he scores goals (or at least he did last year) but he does sod all else! He just literally stands there waiting for a goal, his movement is pathetic and his first touch is abysmal! He's not even that fast or particularly clinical at one on ones!
yes, he scores goals (or at least he did last year) but he does sod all else! He just literally stands there waiting for a goal, his movement is pathetic and his first touch is abysmal! He's not even that fast or particularly clinical at one on ones!
Tom,
You forget that for the majority here either :
A. They dont see the games and jus see how many goals he has scored.
B. See the games but are blinded by the fact that he scored as to many goals are all even though if he contributed we would score more anyway.
C. When he doesnt score (like recently) criticise him for his inactivity even though thats how he always plays but normally they wont admit it.
Jus MO
IMO : Trez is a liabilty, he makes us play as if we have 10 men and as such put strain on our mid... On top of that he has no pace, his first touch is awful and his finnish is very inconsistent.... in short, hes crap!!
Plus without DP he is nothing... surely a world class player shouldnt only be able to perform if a certain other player is there ... he should be able to adapt.
You forget that for the majority here either :
A. They dont see the games and jus see how many goals he has scored.
B. See the games but are blinded by the fact that he scored as to many goals are all even though if he contributed we would score more anyway.
C. When he doesnt score (like recently) criticise him for his inactivity even though thats how he always plays but normally they wont admit it.
Jus MO
IMO : Trez is a liabilty, he makes us play as if we have 10 men and as such put strain on our mid... On top of that he has no pace, his first touch is awful and his finnish is very inconsistent.... in short, hes crap!!
Plus without DP he is nothing... surely a world class player shouldnt only be able to perform if a certain other player is there ... he should be able to adapt.
perhpas Trez being out of tonight's game is a blessing in disguise in a way. Such a shame Di Vaio is unfit though, we will miss him much more.
I certainly agree about the DP thing. How many of his goals last year were sown to hard work from our captain, then a simple finish. This year, he doesn't even look like scoring when he gets a chance, for example the man united and inter kilan games, he was absolutely terrible! I would really have to go a long way to remember such a lame performance from a supposedly world class player!
Anyway with your pinion on Trez pretty clear, do you think Di Vaio could be a first teamer in his palce, or do you think that someone would need to come in if we were to make a change?
(theoretical of course, as I can't see it happening)
I certainly agree about the DP thing. How many of his goals last year were sown to hard work from our captain, then a simple finish. This year, he doesn't even look like scoring when he gets a chance, for example the man united and inter kilan games, he was absolutely terrible! I would really have to go a long way to remember such a lame performance from a supposedly world class player!
Anyway with your pinion on Trez pretty clear, do you think Di Vaio could be a first teamer in his palce, or do you think that someone would need to come in if we were to make a change?
(theoretical of course, as I can't see it happening)
Personally, Di Vaio on top form is far better than trez, he works his arse off, can play several roles, has a great finnish and above all has that much needed pace.
How many times last season (milan an example) did we break on the counter with DP (not the fastest man himself) running nigh on the lengh of the pitch then looking to lay it off for a simple tap in only for trez not to have got there yet and pretty much any other aspect of our counter attacking game, so many times you see DP or nedved laying into a box for trez to be late arriving.... he doesnt suit that aspect of our play (rapidly becoming most of our play)..... This IMO would not happen with Di Vaio.
Its fine for trez to sit in the box against lower standard teams as we are constantly creating and not dependant on the counter, but against the big boys its a liability.
How many times last season (milan an example) did we break on the counter with DP (not the fastest man himself) running nigh on the lengh of the pitch then looking to lay it off for a simple tap in only for trez not to have got there yet and pretty much any other aspect of our counter attacking game, so many times you see DP or nedved laying into a box for trez to be late arriving.... he doesnt suit that aspect of our play (rapidly becoming most of our play)..... This IMO would not happen with Di Vaio.
Its fine for trez to sit in the box against lower standard teams as we are constantly creating and not dependant on the counter, but against the big boys its a liability.
hmm..the only problem with a Divaio - ale partnership is the lack of a physical presence. Not that Trez actually uses this to any sort of advantage, but its still an issue with Di Vaio. Obviously if we were Real we wouldn't need this, we could just play it round teams..we can't do this until we get a proper playmaker so I guess we are gonna need some kind of strength in the attack.
Although having said that, Di Vaio has scored a few headers this year, so he obviously is capable in the air. If only Zalayeta could score, he would be perfect, becuase as a hold up player you could ask for nothing more IMO
I agree with your last point, and that is an option (playing him just against the lesser teams) but his ego would sure;y not accept this and we'd end up selling him at a deflated price..bad business
Although having said that, Di Vaio has scored a few headers this year, so he obviously is capable in the air. If only Zalayeta could score, he would be perfect, becuase as a hold up player you could ask for nothing more IMO
I agree with your last point, and that is an option (playing him just against the lesser teams) but his ego would sure;y not accept this and we'd end up selling him at a deflated price..bad business
++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
Tommy wouldn't know optimism if it whacked him square on the head..
Tommy wouldn't know optimism if it whacked him square on the head..
Tommy wouldn't know optimism if it bit him in the ass....
dont you??
Im shocked at how apt our players are to get injured these days.....
Okay, your points as regards to trezeguet. He may not be as brilliant as DP. Though sometimes, when DP is there, the perfect compliment Del Piero could have on the pitch would be someone like Trez. It's like chemistry.
Sometimes, opposites perform better than simillarities.
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But I agree, Trez seems to be relying on DP most of the time. But that is why you acll it a team, you work together and depend on each other to create a chemistry or a good team.
Sometimes, opposites perform better than simillarities.
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But I agree, Trez seems to be relying on DP most of the time. But that is why you acll it a team, you work together and depend on each other to create a chemistry or a good team.
i just don't understand how a player who scores 24 goals and leads us to winning the schudetto ends up getting critisied this way!!!
and yes i am a juventini and i have seen around 90% of the juventus games last season (League, CL & CUP)
trezeguet is the kind of player who relys on his one touch finish!
he scored many brilliant goals. don't forget that last year he scored many goals in the CL (first round) and we got eliminated partly because he recieved an injury in the second round!
trezeguet has scored against, Milan, Parma, Inter, Udinese, Fiorentina (when they had a strong team) isn't that big teams???
besides trezeguet is way much better than DV. he can win airballs for us, true he lacks the speed of DV but IMO he will always be a better team player than DV would ever be!
and what i mean by Team Player is someone who would pass to a team mate if his team mate is in a better position to score.
u also said Trezeguet is a liability in counter attacks! would u like me to remind u of the wonderful counter attack played by juventus against leverkusin when we demilished them 4-0 in italy.
if you don't remember that goal i suggest u download it and watch it!!! it also shows u what a good team member he is as he supplied delpiero to score with a simple finish.
trezeguet will always be a better player than DV. that is my opinion!
and yes i am a juventini and i have seen around 90% of the juventus games last season (League, CL & CUP)
trezeguet is the kind of player who relys on his one touch finish!
he scored many brilliant goals. don't forget that last year he scored many goals in the CL (first round) and we got eliminated partly because he recieved an injury in the second round!
trezeguet has scored against, Milan, Parma, Inter, Udinese, Fiorentina (when they had a strong team) isn't that big teams???
besides trezeguet is way much better than DV. he can win airballs for us, true he lacks the speed of DV but IMO he will always be a better team player than DV would ever be!
and what i mean by Team Player is someone who would pass to a team mate if his team mate is in a better position to score.
u also said Trezeguet is a liability in counter attacks! would u like me to remind u of the wonderful counter attack played by juventus against leverkusin when we demilished them 4-0 in italy.
if you don't remember that goal i suggest u download it and watch it!!! it also shows u what a good team member he is as he supplied delpiero to score with a simple finish.
trezeguet will always be a better player than DV. that is my opinion!
Tom
maybe trezeguet is not ur sort of striker!
u like someone who drops back, takes the ball and runs with it!!!
now trezeguet does not do that coz it is not his game!
but before he was purchased at juventus it was clear and well known that he is not!
why do u dislike his style when it simply works well for us
and that is shown by the good number of goals he scored so far in the juve shirt!!
he also equalled platini's record of scoring in 10 consecutive games!
what more do u want from him?
maybe trezeguet is not ur sort of striker!
u like someone who drops back, takes the ball and runs with it!!!
now trezeguet does not do that coz it is not his game!
but before he was purchased at juventus it was clear and well known that he is not!
why do u dislike his style when it simply works well for us
and that is shown by the good number of goals he scored so far in the juve shirt!!
he also equalled platini's record of scoring in 10 consecutive games!
what more do u want from him?
he doesn't create a single thing for himself. look at the likes of Van Nistlerooy at Man U, he actually gets involved in the play, he is a great hold up player, and can take players on. We're stuck with the lazy Trez, whp does bugger all until he's yards from goal, then often misses even then!
I just can't wait for Di VAio to come back, he was on good form before his injury, i'd like to see how him and Alex pair up, or even Zalayeta and Alex.
I just can't wait for Di VAio to come back, he was on good form before his injury, i'd like to see how him and Alex pair up, or even Zalayeta and Alex.
why not? why should we not expect more? We should be heppy that he just stands around and does bugger all?! We should accept it because thats the way he plays?
No doubting when he's on form he is a very good box finisher, but this is not enough when we are playing big teams in particular, 10 against 11 there's only gonna be one winner
No doubting when he's on form he is a very good box finisher, but this is not enough when we are playing big teams in particular, 10 against 11 there's only gonna be one winner