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I see you liked that Andries, but just to make it clear for you, I meant Men don't vote in the Middle East...not in general. So just you don't think that I am a caveman carrying a club on my shoulder and knocking off women and dragging them to my cave
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i didnt say anythign wrong.
telling someone that he is talking about something without having a solid Info and Knowledge about it is not something you should be told "mind your manners"for
first of all let me make my self more clear
my english language is not something i sould be proud of because as u can see its as bad as the nonmuslims info about islam and your friend is definetly one of them
anyway
i didnt mean to be rude in anyway , but u can say its gealousy about our relegions and beleives
telling someone that he is talking about something without having a solid Info and Knowledge about it is not something you should be told "mind your manners"for
first of all let me make my self more clear
my english language is not something i sould be proud of because as u can see its as bad as the nonmuslims info about islam and your friend is definetly one of them
anyway
i didnt mean to be rude in anyway , but u can say its gealousy about our relegions and beleives
well one needs to look at it from the perspectives of the adopter and the observer.
Observer: The old adage about not judging a book by its cover can only hold so much. We express ourselves in many ways, one being the way we dress. hence our look is an open door to label and our nature is to take stances on polarizing appearances. So you cannot underestimate the validity of temperance. Not to meantion the whole carnal business.
Adopter: be it men or women, modesty is a precursor for social tolerance, especially when it comes visual discriminations such as race/color/shape. One learns that just as personal appearance does not even come close to constitute who they really are, thus deterring them from being the perpetrator of prejudice.
Observer: The old adage about not judging a book by its cover can only hold so much. We express ourselves in many ways, one being the way we dress. hence our look is an open door to label and our nature is to take stances on polarizing appearances. So you cannot underestimate the validity of temperance. Not to meantion the whole carnal business.
Adopter: be it men or women, modesty is a precursor for social tolerance, especially when it comes visual discriminations such as race/color/shape. One learns that just as personal appearance does not even come close to constitute who they really are, thus deterring them from being the perpetrator of prejudice.
I guess there will always remain ignorance amongst the term hijab and towards such people who wear it.. its time to inform what people feel like it. I dont want to say too much as it will end up becoming more like a teaching lesson for me and I dont think it will leave this much of a discussion... nevertheless I am baffled by some of the arrogance used, instead of doing that little more extra research in actually finding out the truth its human nature to sit back and criticise what a man may dislike most due to his irregularity hobby.. nevertheless the first approach to my explanation is here.. Ze Tahir already posted an article regarding a recent convert and how she felt when she wore the hijab after grasping the meaning and the teachings behind it. Heres another article.. and I assure you there are thousands of articles on the net for these women and proberly a million or more women who can by ease vouch how peaceful and by there own authority they have put this sacred adornment.
Heres some insight to the world of hijab.. from a convert.
Heres some insight to the world of hijab.. from a convert.
Maybe this will help clear the matter up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KepPoUEm7SI&search=tunak tunak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KepPoUEm7SI&search=tunak tunak
Now here are some facts regarding Hijab and the opposite bigotry exposed by those who claim its 'liberation'
Here is some history:
Babylonian Civilization: If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.
Greek Civilization: The so called most glorious of all ancient Civilization, an “imaginary women” called Pandora is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. They consider women subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.
Roman Civilization: A man even had right to take the life if his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.
Egyptian Civilization: They considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.
Pre- Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women, and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.
So what islam brought was a better perspective to all that infact one can say in between the hatred and the one that uses sex objects, from prostitution to killing women. Islam brought liberation, freedom for women, something which unfortunately as I said before has been spoilt by certain scholors who just spoiled there image, but this image was the minority and didnt take time to spread vastly across the globe. Islam treats women as the same as man, its equal rights but understands the physical nature of both man and women, which is exactly why both are provided order by god. Now I know I will be mocked over teh god concept simply because there are many athiests around.. What I do ask is for respective to learn our side before judgment. If you dont want to read further then please dont and by all means if there is any need to close this thread you can do so.. So Hijab has been ordered by god in teh holy book quran. As I said in my first post it is not only a hijab for women but man also, man must cover between knee to there waist, this is a priority. Now is for obvious reasons, simply because men dont have "boobs".. okay some may have withe xception but obviously not the type of breasts that will attract womens attention by any means.
So its clear the first instance is to stop this idea of sexually thinking. This in turn brings a more tranquil and better peace to life.. how? well its simple ones thought is processed in achieving the best things in life and in turn this helps to prevent the person doing something which may later on cause massive problems, not only for him but also for his surroundings.. the whole purpose of this is to have respect for each other, dignity, liberation and most of allcompassion for each other, not sexual compassion but one that unifies mankind.. yes this may sound like a bible talk all of a sudden. I dont intend to preach but the whole point is if morals and ethics were thought in school then why wasnt the idea of knowing how people realised and indoctrinated as well as practised throughout ones life.. its obvious the only thing preventing this is society.
Muslims as a whole especially living in west know that they cant change the society but they are doing there bit in pleasing not only themselfs and people around them but also their god which is the main thing for anyone, so before this a ridicule about god or any muslim.. I think there needs to be a good understanding that muslims do take there religion fairly seriously.. not all, but most.. everyone has a limit and as shown in the past through recent article we found out what happened.. was it a good thing? obviously not for anyone.. so is this a threat? no. Muslims have throughout history shown how to live by side by side with non muslims and there have been some great examples of it as both sides understood each others needs. However unfortunately religion isnt a major thing for many. Most religions have been white washed and to a certain extent bent..
Now some of the concequences of being provocative is fairly clear... a common crime in the west is rape.. this is obviously down to the flirtacious looks a women brings. I understand someone earlier posted something about that men are not animals.. im afraid they can be. Thats not saying they all are but there are times when we do feel that urge and it takes over us, some people dont admit it because they spend that urge on masterbation instead (the "safe" way) whilst others go a the other way. Now rape is a major thing, people dont get killed for rape but sentenced but anyway..
Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?
There is this talk of uplifting women in a western society.. but its nothing more than a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
Here are some facts:
United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.
Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
Other facts
Beatings by husbands and boy friends are the leading cause of injuries to the U.S. women. (surgeon general's report.)
According to the FBI, a battering incident occurs every 18 seconds in the U.S., and 30% of female homicide victims are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. In October 1992, the Senate Judiciary Committee found that at least 1.1 million assaults against women in the home were reported in 1991. By some estimates 3 million more such crimes go unreported each year.
Rule of Thumb: Under English Common Law a husband was allowed to beat his wife if he used modertion, as in a stick no thicker than a thumb.
42% of women in the U.S. military are sexually assaulted.
Three out of four women will be victims of violent crimes. And one out of five will be raped in their life time.
A woman is raped every six minutes.
Every other U.S. woman has been approached by at least one person who tried to rape her.
"Thirteen year old rapists are no uncommon, neither are 8 year old victims." (N. Y. Times 13 June 89).
"More than a third of women slain in this country die at the hands of husbands or boyfriends, and domestic violence is the single largest cause of injuries to women in the United States. The home is actually a more dangerous place for American women than city streets." [ U.S. Surgeon Geberal Dr. Anotnia C. Novello, 20 Oct 91]
"During 1985-1990 more than half of all births to 18- and 19- year old women in the U.S. were out of wedlock." [Census Bureau Report, N.Y. time s4 Dec 91]
As stated earliar wearing the hijab has given Muslim women freedom from constant attention to their physical self. Because their appearance is not subjected to public scrutiny, their beauty, or perhaps lack of it, has been removed from the realm of what can legitimately be discussed.
No one knows whether their hair looks as if they just stepped out of a salon, whether or not they can pinch an inch, or even if they have unsightly stretch marks. And because no one knows, no one cares. Red, Brunette or Blonde.
Feeling that one has to meet the impossible male standards of beauty is tiring and often humiliating. Women should know, they spent their entire teenage years trying to do it. It was a borderline bulimic and spent a lot of money they didn't have on potions and lotions in hopes of becoming the next Cindy Crawford.
The definition of beauty is ever changing; waifish is good, waifish is bad; athletic is good -- sorry, athletic is bad. Narrow hips? Great. Narrow hips? Too bad.
Women are not going to achieve equality with the right to bear their breasts in public, as some people would like to have you believe. That would only make us party to our own objectification. True equality will be had only when women don't need to display themselves to get attention and won't need to defend their decision to keep their bodies to themselves.
I think I will end with my brief explanation by an extract from a study which is done by Henry Makow, Ph.D.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice.
Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead.
The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population.
See this World Population Control Promotes Homosexuality
See this Clinton and his administration Promotes Homosexuality
In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be nest makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears?
To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the replacement for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islaam.
I am not advocating the burkha but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burkha and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.
That is all for the time being....
Here is some history:
Babylonian Civilization: If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.
Greek Civilization: The so called most glorious of all ancient Civilization, an “imaginary women” called Pandora is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. They consider women subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.
Roman Civilization: A man even had right to take the life if his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.
Egyptian Civilization: They considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.
Pre- Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women, and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.
So what islam brought was a better perspective to all that infact one can say in between the hatred and the one that uses sex objects, from prostitution to killing women. Islam brought liberation, freedom for women, something which unfortunately as I said before has been spoilt by certain scholors who just spoiled there image, but this image was the minority and didnt take time to spread vastly across the globe. Islam treats women as the same as man, its equal rights but understands the physical nature of both man and women, which is exactly why both are provided order by god. Now I know I will be mocked over teh god concept simply because there are many athiests around.. What I do ask is for respective to learn our side before judgment. If you dont want to read further then please dont and by all means if there is any need to close this thread you can do so.. So Hijab has been ordered by god in teh holy book quran. As I said in my first post it is not only a hijab for women but man also, man must cover between knee to there waist, this is a priority. Now is for obvious reasons, simply because men dont have "boobs".. okay some may have withe xception but obviously not the type of breasts that will attract womens attention by any means.
So its clear the first instance is to stop this idea of sexually thinking. This in turn brings a more tranquil and better peace to life.. how? well its simple ones thought is processed in achieving the best things in life and in turn this helps to prevent the person doing something which may later on cause massive problems, not only for him but also for his surroundings.. the whole purpose of this is to have respect for each other, dignity, liberation and most of allcompassion for each other, not sexual compassion but one that unifies mankind.. yes this may sound like a bible talk all of a sudden. I dont intend to preach but the whole point is if morals and ethics were thought in school then why wasnt the idea of knowing how people realised and indoctrinated as well as practised throughout ones life.. its obvious the only thing preventing this is society.
Muslims as a whole especially living in west know that they cant change the society but they are doing there bit in pleasing not only themselfs and people around them but also their god which is the main thing for anyone, so before this a ridicule about god or any muslim.. I think there needs to be a good understanding that muslims do take there religion fairly seriously.. not all, but most.. everyone has a limit and as shown in the past through recent article we found out what happened.. was it a good thing? obviously not for anyone.. so is this a threat? no. Muslims have throughout history shown how to live by side by side with non muslims and there have been some great examples of it as both sides understood each others needs. However unfortunately religion isnt a major thing for many. Most religions have been white washed and to a certain extent bent..
Now some of the concequences of being provocative is fairly clear... a common crime in the west is rape.. this is obviously down to the flirtacious looks a women brings. I understand someone earlier posted something about that men are not animals.. im afraid they can be. Thats not saying they all are but there are times when we do feel that urge and it takes over us, some people dont admit it because they spend that urge on masterbation instead (the "safe" way) whilst others go a the other way. Now rape is a major thing, people dont get killed for rape but sentenced but anyway..
Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?
There is this talk of uplifting women in a western society.. but its nothing more than a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
Here are some facts:
United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.
Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
Other facts
Beatings by husbands and boy friends are the leading cause of injuries to the U.S. women. (surgeon general's report.)
According to the FBI, a battering incident occurs every 18 seconds in the U.S., and 30% of female homicide victims are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. In October 1992, the Senate Judiciary Committee found that at least 1.1 million assaults against women in the home were reported in 1991. By some estimates 3 million more such crimes go unreported each year.
Rule of Thumb: Under English Common Law a husband was allowed to beat his wife if he used modertion, as in a stick no thicker than a thumb.
42% of women in the U.S. military are sexually assaulted.
Three out of four women will be victims of violent crimes. And one out of five will be raped in their life time.
A woman is raped every six minutes.
Every other U.S. woman has been approached by at least one person who tried to rape her.
"Thirteen year old rapists are no uncommon, neither are 8 year old victims." (N. Y. Times 13 June 89).
"More than a third of women slain in this country die at the hands of husbands or boyfriends, and domestic violence is the single largest cause of injuries to women in the United States. The home is actually a more dangerous place for American women than city streets." [ U.S. Surgeon Geberal Dr. Anotnia C. Novello, 20 Oct 91]
"During 1985-1990 more than half of all births to 18- and 19- year old women in the U.S. were out of wedlock." [Census Bureau Report, N.Y. time s4 Dec 91]
As stated earliar wearing the hijab has given Muslim women freedom from constant attention to their physical self. Because their appearance is not subjected to public scrutiny, their beauty, or perhaps lack of it, has been removed from the realm of what can legitimately be discussed.
No one knows whether their hair looks as if they just stepped out of a salon, whether or not they can pinch an inch, or even if they have unsightly stretch marks. And because no one knows, no one cares. Red, Brunette or Blonde.
Feeling that one has to meet the impossible male standards of beauty is tiring and often humiliating. Women should know, they spent their entire teenage years trying to do it. It was a borderline bulimic and spent a lot of money they didn't have on potions and lotions in hopes of becoming the next Cindy Crawford.
The definition of beauty is ever changing; waifish is good, waifish is bad; athletic is good -- sorry, athletic is bad. Narrow hips? Great. Narrow hips? Too bad.
Women are not going to achieve equality with the right to bear their breasts in public, as some people would like to have you believe. That would only make us party to our own objectification. True equality will be had only when women don't need to display themselves to get attention and won't need to defend their decision to keep their bodies to themselves.
I think I will end with my brief explanation by an extract from a study which is done by Henry Makow, Ph.D.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice.
Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead.
The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population.
See this World Population Control Promotes Homosexuality
See this Clinton and his administration Promotes Homosexuality
In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be nest makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears?
To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the replacement for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islaam.
I am not advocating the burkha but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burkha and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.
That is all for the time being....
That can be regarded as blasphemy for some. Anyway if the topic is about hijab, then god has everything to do with, if you dont know anything about islam then please try to show some respect rather than using some twisted sarasctic humour.
FYI. The quran is a holy book which all muslims believe in. It can be compared in a similar way to teh bible, and the talmud or any other book, its a religious book. And this holy book is what ordered women to cover themselfs in front of men who are not related to them ( its a loose term in general it just means they can show themselfs to fathers, brothers, children and husbands). It also ordered men to keep theere eyes gazed down e.t.c. And it was god who wrote the book, passed down to the prophet muhammed pbuh. Its a similar example to how moses got his book and how jesus got his revelation. Religion is an important aspect of peoples life, if not yours it is to others so please respect that.
Thank you.
FYI. The quran is a holy book which all muslims believe in. It can be compared in a similar way to teh bible, and the talmud or any other book, its a religious book. And this holy book is what ordered women to cover themselfs in front of men who are not related to them ( its a loose term in general it just means they can show themselfs to fathers, brothers, children and husbands). It also ordered men to keep theere eyes gazed down e.t.c. And it was god who wrote the book, passed down to the prophet muhammed pbuh. Its a similar example to how moses got his book and how jesus got his revelation. Religion is an important aspect of peoples life, if not yours it is to others so please respect that.
Thank you.