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edpiero said:
Rab, that looks like downtown Beirut 
Could be a Saudi family on holiday
Could be a Saudi family on holiday
Thats Indeed downtown Beirut.
I'm not Ignorant, I just don't see the point in covering faces nor the hair. Whether It's due to Religion or Tradition. Indeed, we're in 21st century, we're supposed to Improve and don't make fools out of ourselves.
Again with no offence to anyone.
I think I know the reason why muslim women do cover their body and face. I'm Muslim Lebanese, and I don't know everything But I think I know enough about this.
I'm not saying women should go naked on the street and show everything. All I'm saying that It's pitty to see these women covering their faces except their eyes, some of them do Indeed cover everything, as If men will go nuts or will turn on If they were to see their nose or eyes or anything else. Please.
I repsect each one's belief though I don't follow my religion....Some women don't really cover themselves for the sake of religious but because they're obliged like Jack said. Call me whatever you want but I find it ridiculous..
Women do have the right to live like men, they're not machine to cover them up. Let them enjoy their life FFS, and let them atleast get to know the man / men they'll marry.
You did not directly refer to Saudi, true, but these women ARE Saudi! How I know you may ask? Well I know! You may not see the difference between a Saudi, Iranian, Kuwaiti...etc women. But I do. Kinda like all Japaneese look the same to me.
What eyes and what ears? Did you see women forced to cover that way or did you hear a husband shouting at his wife? These cases are existant, but trust me they are not the norm over here.
And a lot of women walk around like that, but thats not the issue here, you are claiming that they are forced and opressed, in which I vehemently deny!
You know what? There are even tribes over here in Saudi, that a woman does not even show her face to her husband! And if he mistakenly did see her face, the woman would go crazy and would most probably ask for a divorce! Is that opression? Or choice? Kind of like the Toareg men who also don't show their faces.
What eyes and what ears? Did you see women forced to cover that way or did you hear a husband shouting at his wife? These cases are existant, but trust me they are not the norm over here.
And a lot of women walk around like that, but thats not the issue here, you are claiming that they are forced and opressed, in which I vehemently deny!
You know what? There are even tribes over here in Saudi, that a woman does not even show her face to her husband! And if he mistakenly did see her face, the woman would go crazy and would most probably ask for a divorce! Is that opression? Or choice? Kind of like the Toareg men who also don't show their faces.
I do not see the difference between Iranian, Saudi, Kuwaiti etc women? I'm Iranian myself and born muslim, and I do think I have quite a good idea of the difference. A small tip: Don't judge people after the small flag under their names.
There are many women who actually do have a choice, and who decide to wear a hijab or similar, but from what I have seen and experienced myself, that is usually not the case. There's a reason most Iranian girls in Iran hide as little as they can, and most would burn their veils if they could do so without being arrested. That's oppression right there.
And to deny that women aren't opressed in Saudi Arabia is to prove your own ignorance. You live there, and I'm sure you enjoy life there and all that, but don't you think the veiling of women goes hand in hand with all the rights the women do not have? Please tell me, which gender does the driving over there? Please give me a list of politically powerful women among your ruling sheikhs. See the connection? Is it just a coincidence that the Qur'an preaches muslims to veil their women, just as it prohibits and limit their rights in so many ways. Please tell me how inheritance works in strictly Islamic nations. Please explain what voting rights women have according to the Qur'an and in these nations.
There's a fine line going through all of this. Whatever you do, don't come saying most women love being led around in a veil. All respect to culture and religion, but some things must come before them.
There are many women who actually do have a choice, and who decide to wear a hijab or similar, but from what I have seen and experienced myself, that is usually not the case. There's a reason most Iranian girls in Iran hide as little as they can, and most would burn their veils if they could do so without being arrested. That's oppression right there.
And to deny that women aren't opressed in Saudi Arabia is to prove your own ignorance. You live there, and I'm sure you enjoy life there and all that, but don't you think the veiling of women goes hand in hand with all the rights the women do not have? Please tell me, which gender does the driving over there? Please give me a list of politically powerful women among your ruling sheikhs. See the connection? Is it just a coincidence that the Qur'an preaches muslims to veil their women, just as it prohibits and limit their rights in so many ways. Please tell me how inheritance works in strictly Islamic nations. Please explain what voting rights women have according to the Qur'an and in these nations.
There's a fine line going through all of this. Whatever you do, don't come saying most women love being led around in a veil. All respect to culture and religion, but some things must come before them.
Right, CNN is the main source of knowledge in Sweden. 
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
Sadomin said:
Right, CNN is the main source of knowledge in Sweden.
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
seeems to be for the rest of the world, except for America
Funny how everyone ignored Phrozen's explaination and went after the "weaker" explaination.
@Rab: It makes perfect sense to us. Because we chose to respect our women. I don't have any sisters, but I have cousins, and I'll tell you, if she's walking down the street along with a scantily dressed girl, you'll never see a guy look at her nasty, why? because it's automatic respect. I'll never see an old man or anyone for that matter "checking out" my mother. Why? because hijab=respect. Some people though, do take it take other levels, and have the Afghan style "shuttle-cock" hijaab, which is wrong imo. Some women are even forced to wear it, because the idiots that force the women are...idiots, because the matter is between the woman and God, and no one else.
@Rab: It makes perfect sense to us. Because we chose to respect our women. I don't have any sisters, but I have cousins, and I'll tell you, if she's walking down the street along with a scantily dressed girl, you'll never see a guy look at her nasty, why? because it's automatic respect. I'll never see an old man or anyone for that matter "checking out" my mother. Why? because hijab=respect. Some people though, do take it take other levels, and have the Afghan style "shuttle-cock" hijaab, which is wrong imo. Some women are even forced to wear it, because the idiots that force the women are...idiots, because the matter is between the woman and God, and no one else.
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Since we're talking oppression how about the blatant one in france where women cannot dress the way they want in public places; if you re so adamant about women rights stop restricting your "crusade" targeting only one group/ethnicity/race.
As far as KSA goes, he lives there you said it yourself so it's very natural for his every word to be worth a thousand of yours.
Inheritance is part of hollistic social system in islamic jurisprudence, one that we westerners lacked up until the early 1900, along with voting for that matter. And if you werent so blinded by your obvious rancor towards the religion you were born in you'd realize that the vital tie of land and land ownership in said cultures makes it imperative for the male to have upper hand in inheritance. And to also know that with said privilege comes great responsaility and due to the female.
Last, take up that small tip and regugitate it a bit you're goin against the exact thing you re preaching.
Since we're talking oppression how about the blatant one in france where women cannot dress the way they want in public places; if you re so adamant about women rights stop restricting your "crusade" targeting only one group/ethnicity/race.
As far as KSA goes, he lives there you said it yourself so it's very natural for his every word to be worth a thousand of yours.
Inheritance is part of hollistic social system in islamic jurisprudence, one that we westerners lacked up until the early 1900, along with voting for that matter. And if you werent so blinded by your obvious rancor towards the religion you were born in you'd realize that the vital tie of land and land ownership in said cultures makes it imperative for the male to have upper hand in inheritance. And to also know that with said privilege comes great responsaility and due to the female.
Last, take up that small tip and regugitate it a bit you're goin against the exact thing you re preaching.
It's like I have been talking to myself! And Phrozen has been talking to himself also.
1-Nobody said the word enjoy or love. Look at Phrozen's post to understand.
2-Only men drive in Saudi, but that is another issue, it is not an Islamic issue.
3-Women don't vote, and guess what?? neither do men!!
4-Women get half what a man would get. But men are obliged to take spend on their families woman are not.
Treating men and women as if they are the same is just wrong, they are just different. Equal but different.
I never claimed I do know the concepts of Hijab and Mahram, bro.
I do know that man who wants to marry, will have to send his mother to check on the girl. And the only way he can see her face is either through photos or after getting married. I'm not talking about Saudi's here but in general.
I mean how can someone marry a woman he's not allowed to date her go out with her get to know her more, spend some-time with her, before sending his mom to check on the girl, and If she likes the girl then It's all for the boy, If she doesn't, then It's canceled.
Brother,
I know It makes sense to you and some others,....But saying "we chose to repsect women"...does it mean that others chose not to respect their women? does it mean that others chose "prostitution" for their women??? I don't think so.
I don't know why the women to be soo respected has to cover her hair up. I do think that If women have strong charachter and know how to keep her reputation clean and do know her limits she'll remain clean for herself and the others.
Oh believe me I've seen lot of women with scantily dress were approaching men, and believe me, I've seen some of them even going further. Please, Don't take me wrong.
I know Hijab=Respect, but I do think Respect can be applied in a different way. As I've said before a women can be respect If she chose to be.
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Let me also tell you something, in Beirut Lebanon most of the Gulf women and I mean most of them do take their Hijab off over there. Have you guys ever wondered why?? Is It because no one can oblige them to wear it over there? Or Is it they wanna get rid of the Prison thing they had inside of them. As soon as It's their time to return back to their country they put it back at the Airport. I'm talking about something I've witnessed....I have no reason to create stories.
I hope Rami, Ze T, and the rest don't really get offended...It's just a discussion and It's great talking to you two....
I do know that man who wants to marry, will have to send his mother to check on the girl. And the only way he can see her face is either through photos or after getting married. I'm not talking about Saudi's here but in general.
I mean how can someone marry a woman he's not allowed to date her go out with her get to know her more, spend some-time with her, before sending his mom to check on the girl, and If she likes the girl then It's all for the boy, If she doesn't, then It's canceled.
Brother,
I know It makes sense to you and some others,....But saying "we chose to repsect women"...does it mean that others chose not to respect their women? does it mean that others chose "prostitution" for their women??? I don't think so.
I don't know why the women to be soo respected has to cover her hair up. I do think that If women have strong charachter and know how to keep her reputation clean and do know her limits she'll remain clean for herself and the others.
Oh believe me I've seen lot of women with scantily dress were approaching men, and believe me, I've seen some of them even going further. Please, Don't take me wrong.
I know Hijab=Respect, but I do think Respect can be applied in a different way. As I've said before a women can be respect If she chose to be.
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Let me also tell you something, in Beirut Lebanon most of the Gulf women and I mean most of them do take their Hijab off over there. Have you guys ever wondered why?? Is It because no one can oblige them to wear it over there? Or Is it they wanna get rid of the Prison thing they had inside of them. As soon as It's their time to return back to their country they put it back at the Airport. I'm talking about something I've witnessed....I have no reason to create stories.
I hope Rami, Ze T, and the rest don't really get offended...It's just a discussion and It's great talking to you two....
Sadomin said:
Right, CNN is the main source of knowledge in Sweden.
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
And your logic is awfully poor. So what you're saying is, people over here should just stop caring about the Israel-Lebanon conflict, unless we actually plan to visit one of the countries? I truly wonder what kind of twisted people some of you are.
lets see your logic Mr wiseman
nobody asked you to stop talking about anything unless you witness or see it actually.
what i am saying here is simple
you and most of the members here seems that doesnt have any idea about islam and muslim cultures and just waiting for any oppurtunity to insult, humilate or make fun out of it.
do you think that muslims will give a shit about what you think is wrong just like that, just because it doesn't suites your logic?
what i am trying to say here is you either respect the others relegion by having a logic talks or stop offending and humilating thats it.
you are free to say whatever you want but be aware that the others have there own rights where your freedoms limit should reach its end.
Im left with nothin much to say thanks to Prozhen, Altair, Ze Tahir and Someone, but I doubt many are reading/trying to understand their points.
Anyhow, totally agree with Rami, women and men are different, they play different roles.
Islam is about self control and not giving into ur urges, there is a difference in the religion between living an honorable good hearted life and just living to please your urges and desires.
Infact all religion is about that.
This is really the root of disagreements between muslims and the west.
Anyhow, totally agree with Rami, women and men are different, they play different roles.
Islam is about self control and not giving into ur urges, there is a difference in the religion between living an honorable good hearted life and just living to please your urges and desires.
Infact all religion is about that.
This is really the root of disagreements between muslims and the west.