What is your god like? (18 Viewers)
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Do you remember the scene in the Matrix when Morpheus asked "do you want the red pill or the blue pill?" Same situation. Why shouldn't people believe in god? Because it's healthier to live in the real world, not an imaginary one. The same reason that if your dad believed there is a monster under his bed, you would try to convince him otherwise.
Nothing happens.
What's the purpose of the sun being yellow and not green? What's the purpose of a rock being heavy so that when you drop it on your foot it breaks your foot? What's the purpose of the grass growing at the speed that it does and not faster?
There is no purpose to any of this. Purpose is something we as humans talk about. Purpose comes from intention. If someone intended something to be a certain way, you can say it is like that for a purpose. But only things humans create have purpose. And humans did not create themselves, so we have no purpose.
In that case a Donald Duck comic book is evidence of Donald Duck. And it's a miracle from Donald Duck and every word in it is true. You don't believe me? It says so right in the comic book!
Nothing happens.
What's the purpose of the sun being yellow and not green? What's the purpose of a rock being heavy so that when you drop it on your foot it breaks your foot? What's the purpose of the grass growing at the speed that it does and not faster?
There is no purpose to any of this. Purpose is something we as humans talk about. Purpose comes from intention. If someone intended something to be a certain way, you can say it is like that for a purpose. But only things humans create have purpose. And humans did not create themselves, so we have no purpose.
In that case a Donald Duck comic book is evidence of Donald Duck. And it's a miracle from Donald Duck and every word in it is true. You don't believe me? It says so right in the comic book!
Its all about what you can and what you cannot know. You cannot know if God exists or not because of our limitations However, just because we dont know if God exists then the Quran or bible is right.. and that doesn't make them wrong either.
read my long argument a little while back.. 4 or 5 pages back..
read my long argument a little while back.. 4 or 5 pages back..
Donald Duck comics do not claim to have divine origins however, i agree with you that if god is unknowable unthinkable etc.
any one could create a religion and claim it to be divine and it'd never be proven wrong as its not even testable.
I can create an book with an order of Gods that are all unthinkable yet enjoy playing basketball while eating hamburgers and i could give long stories about the matches they played and the dressing sauces they use for the french fries and i can always claim its unthinkable so you never know. But books like the Quran and the bible obviously had an evident impact on people... so i guess there may be something special about these books... probably the people who created them were very influential unlike donald duck lol (or they are genuine)
But seriously this would be a nice philsophical debate: What kind of books are divine like and which are none divine like? (Taking into account that we have no knowledge of the divine outside those books)
How do we distinguish True books that discuss unthinkable dogma from false books that discuss the same unknowable things. Can we objectively find a method?
any one could create a religion and claim it to be divine and it'd never be proven wrong as its not even testable.
I can create an book with an order of Gods that are all unthinkable yet enjoy playing basketball while eating hamburgers and i could give long stories about the matches they played and the dressing sauces they use for the french fries and i can always claim its unthinkable so you never know. But books like the Quran and the bible obviously had an evident impact on people... so i guess there may be something special about these books... probably the people who created them were very influential unlike donald duck lol (or they are genuine)
But seriously this would be a nice philsophical debate: What kind of books are divine like and which are none divine like? (Taking into account that we have no knowledge of the divine outside those books)
How do we distinguish True books that discuss unthinkable dogma from false books that discuss the same unknowable things. Can we objectively find a method?
How dare you, Donald Duck had a huge influence on me 
The ones that claim to be divine, obviously. Donald Duck never claimed to be divine but if he did there might just be some group of people in the world who believe it.
The method you mentioned yourself. Testable propositions. If something is untestable it is indistinguishable from fantasy.
The ones that claim to be divine, obviously. Donald Duck never claimed to be divine but if he did there might just be some group of people in the world who believe it.
The method you mentioned yourself. Testable propositions. If something is untestable it is indistinguishable from fantasy.
How dare you, Donald Duck had a huge influence on me
The ones that claim to be divine, obviously. Donald Duck never claimed to be divine but if he did there might just be some group of people in the world who believe it.
The method you mentioned yourself. Testable propositions. If something is untestable it is indistinguishable from fantasy.
The ones that claim to be divine, obviously. Donald Duck never claimed to be divine but if he did there might just be some group of people in the world who believe it.
The method you mentioned yourself. Testable propositions. If something is untestable it is indistinguishable from fantasy.
Some theists do not see this as a problem threatening their belief. Most people i know who are almost all theists think they believe in God based on some evidence or reason, but they never really take the time to think about it.
I have two problems with any particular religions (Islam and christianity)
1) Can you know if God exists? if yes then on what basis?
2) Assuming God existence, why be a muslim rather than a christian? why not believe in the scripture of ancient greece rather than the Quran or the bible?
In a word what is books divine-like and what are not.
This actually i will dedicate a new thread to as i want to really investigate it and see what people suggests.
I haven't had nor am i planning to have sex before marriage.
My reasoning is simple, for me it is immoral. Forget the Koran, lets take it from an ethical perspective. Do not do to others what you would not like others to do to you. I wouldn't accept the same to my sisters, mother, cousins etc. Why do it to someone else's sister, mother etc ?
Its mostly cultural more than religious.
I live in Egypt and thus a muslim and christian community. however the majority are muslims and i was one of them.
The reasoning behind it in general was on many things but those are what i can remember:
1) They did not have a way to distinguish who is the son of who so if people fuck around children would not know their parents.
2) STD's was said to be one thing too
3) A family is tied religiously and legally by marriage. And so certain responsibilities are assigned to the male as well as the female. fucking around would again bring unwanted babies with unknown fathers and so they wouldn't know who would inherit who and who is responsible for who etc. so as you can see its more about order and stability.
4) Religion urges you not to stop your animal instincts but to control it. Sex as being the most urgent one makes people go crazy and so religion ask them to control these natural urges until the correct time is due when stability etc. is guaranteed.
Its all about self control, stability and this kinda of stuff.. plus some health issues.. plus it should make you more than an animal in some way..
there are billions of justifications but these are one of them.
I was raised as a muslim but i am obviously not the right type of muslims... i just got used to it culturally rather than for religious motives. Plus you'd get arrested if you got caught and you are not allowed to go into a hotel with a female in my shit hole of a country. so cock blockers are everywhere.
Non virgin unmarried women are stained and labeled as sluts throughout our community.. they dont get married and they get treated like shit.
So basically it is very hard to do it even if you want to, the females' family would probably kill you too...
its a lot of shit.
I wouldnt mind if the opportunity opens itself as i have no religious ties... but its just what you get used to when you live in this part of the world
I live in Egypt and thus a muslim and christian community. however the majority are muslims and i was one of them.
The reasoning behind it in general was on many things but those are what i can remember:
1) They did not have a way to distinguish who is the son of who so if people fuck around children would not know their parents.
2) STD's was said to be one thing too
3) A family is tied religiously and legally by marriage. And so certain responsibilities are assigned to the male as well as the female. fucking around would again bring unwanted babies with unknown fathers and so they wouldn't know who would inherit who and who is responsible for who etc. so as you can see its more about order and stability.
4) Religion urges you not to stop your animal instincts but to control it. Sex as being the most urgent one makes people go crazy and so religion ask them to control these natural urges until the correct time is due when stability etc. is guaranteed.
Its all about self control, stability and this kinda of stuff.. plus some health issues.. plus it should make you more than an animal in some way..
there are billions of justifications but these are one of them.
I was raised as a muslim but i am obviously not the right type of muslims... i just got used to it culturally rather than for religious motives. Plus you'd get arrested if you got caught and you are not allowed to go into a hotel with a female in my shit hole of a country. so cock blockers are everywhere.
Non virgin unmarried women are stained and labeled as sluts throughout our community.. they dont get married and they get treated like shit.
So basically it is very hard to do it even if you want to, the females' family would probably kill you too...
its a lot of shit.
I wouldnt mind if the opportunity opens itself as i have no religious ties... but its just what you get used to when you live in this part of the world
I would. Never believe that men don't have sex before their marriage. If there are any men, then they're few, but very few. Even religious men do have sex before marriage.
But I don't think anyone would like for example his sister having sex with man/men when they're not going to end up together (marriage). I would never accept it. Why?
Because if she's going to have a relationship with some man who isn't going to marry her then it's all for fun, no matter how some of them try to make it look serious. It just can't be.
He can go get laid with her, then next day sleep with another. While a girl having sex after the marriage makes much more sense to me.
That's from my part, from the way I grew up, from my social daily life. This is how I see it :smile:
But I don't think anyone would like for example his sister having sex with man/men when they're not going to end up together (marriage). I would never accept it. Why?
Because if she's going to have a relationship with some man who isn't going to marry her then it's all for fun, no matter how some of them try to make it look serious. It just can't be.
He can go get laid with her, then next day sleep with another. While a girl having sex after the marriage makes much more sense to me.
That's from my part, from the way I grew up, from my social daily life. This is how I see it :smile:
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